Progress of delivery of cascaded/refurbished/PRM modified stock to TFW/Wales and Borders

[Sion John]

175005 has just gone into Crewe with a chunk of front facia around the buffer missing. A bit of work for the Alstom team.

Its 175007

 

[Anonymous10]

175005 has just gone into Crewe with a chunk of front facia around the buffer missing. A bit of work for the Alstom team.

possibly a tree or something? but hopefully its just superficial so shouldn't take to long

 

[Caaardiff]

You wouldn't see a set involved in an incident like that in the morning out in service later the same day.

I wasn't suggesting that was the case. There was no specified time and the 175 could've been left in Crewe or into another Depot, hence my question.

 

[PHILIPE]

I wasn't suggesting that was the case. There was no specified time and the 175 could've been left in Crewe or into another Depot, hence my question.

175007 went back home to Chester

 

[craigybagel]

I wasn't suggesting that was the case. There was no specified time and the 175 could've been left in Crewe or into another Depot, hence my question.

My apologies, looking back I realise I misread the meaning of your post.

 

[sd0733]

Great stuff, who’s next do you reckon

The only 2 which havent been out the last few days are 829 and 839 so its one of those 2. At a guess its 839 though as its longer since thats been out.

 

[Caaardiff]

158829 went to Crewe over the weekend and hasn't been out since so its likely that one.

 

[sd0733]

150236 is the first of the 150s to begin its refurb. Should emerge in approx 3 weeks in TfW interior and exterior.

 

[JakeMurphy]

150236 is the first of the 150s to begin its refurb. Should emerge in approx 3 weeks in TfW interior and exterior.

Great news, where they getting done

 

[Parallel]

150236 is the first of the 150s to begin its refurb. Should emerge in approx 3 weeks in TfW interior and exterior.

Excellent. I imagine 150s (especially the interior) will look like smart little metro trains when in TfW’s livery.

 

[Anonymous10]

Excellent. I imagine 150s (especially the interior) will look like smart little metro trains when in TfW’s livery.

cant wait to see it these trains really did need it being so heavily used across the network

 

[Mrs. Fortescue]

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[Big George]

150236 is the first of the 150s to begin its refurb. Should emerge in approx 3 weeks in TfW interior and exterior.

Anybody know where this work is being carried out?

 

[sd0733]

Anybody know where this work is being carried out?

Im fairly sure its done at Canton.

 

[Cardiff123]

It's been confirmed in RAIL magazine what was first published in Modern Railways in late December, that TfW are to keep on & PRM modify 9 of the 'temporary' 153s it took on last year. This piece says it'll be the 5 ex-GA and 4 ex-EMR 153s, but the toilets won't be modified, so I assume they'll be permanently locked or taken out.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Excellent. I imagine 150s (especially the interior) will look like smart little metro trains when in TfW’s livery.

Sows ear and silk purse ?
Yes 150s were an improvement on Derbys and Met Camms 35 years ago, but the industry has moved on.

Metro services should be electric these days.

 

[Cardiff123]

Sows ear and silk purse ?
Yes 150s were an improvement on Derbys and Met Camms 35 years ago, but the industry has moved on.

Metro services should be electric these days.

In 3 years time on the Valleys they will be

 

[JakeMurphy]

Looks like there Is a 3B75 from Chester to Widnes tonight so another 175 off for refurbishment which must mean 175104 is back

 

[6Gtraincrew]

Looks like there Is a 3B75 from Chester to Widnes tonight so another 175 off for refurbishment which must mean 175104 is back

175105 is allocated to that tonight

 

[Mrs. Fortescue]

It's been confirmed in RAIL magazine what was first published in Modern Railways in late December, that TfW are to keep on & PRM modify 9 of the 'temporary' 153s it took on last year. This piece says it'll be the 5 ex-GA and 4 ex-EMR 153s, but the toilets won't be modified, so I assume they'll be permanently locked or taken out.

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A sensible idea. Permanently coupled to another 153 with a modified toilet, there won’t be a need for one - thus keeping space for more seats.

 

[Bletchleyite]

In 3 years time on the Valleys they will be

A full heavy refurb for 3 years seems overkill. Mind you Avanti have done the Voyagers and they've only got a year or so left.

 

[Bikeman78]

A sensible idea. Permanently coupled to another 153 with a modified toilet, there won’t be a need for one - thus keeping space for more seats.

But it doesn't really help in terms of day to day operation. The 153/9 must run attached to something else and that will still be the case after the refurb.

 

[supervc-10]

A sensible idea. Permanently coupled to another 153 with a modified toilet, there won’t be a need for one - thus keeping space for more seats.

Turning them back into 155s!

 

[PHILIPE]

But it doesn't really help in terms of day to day operation. The 153/9 must run attached to something else and that will still be the case after the refurb.

There is plenty of 2 Car work they can do

 

[Bikeman78]

There is plenty of 2 Car work they can do

I'm not disputing that but the refurb won't make any difference to their ability to replace Pacers. Currently there are some diagrams for single 153s, on the Heart of Wales for example.

 

[PHILIPE]

I'm not disputing that but the refurb won't make any difference to their ability to replace Pacers. Currently there are some diagrams for single 153s, on the Heart of Wales for example.

Yes, the Shrewsbury to Crewe local and the Blaenau Ffestiniog Branch (Post Covid) are also singles. A PRM and a non-PRM vehicle can easily replace a Pacer which have a single toilet per 2 Cars although not PRM but with the route restrictions on 153s on much of the Valley Network they can't replace them directly. A hybrid pair are used on the Pembroke Dock Branch (2 sets a day), Chester/Crewe local, Chester/Liverpool and certain Cardiff/West Wales services.

 

[craigybagel]

But it doesn't really help in terms of day to day operation. The 153/9 must run attached to something else and that will still be the case after the refurb.

It does buy time though - it means the non PRM 153s can stay in service beyond May without getting further extensions.

It might also help address the shocking condition the ex Anglia 153s arrived in - they are a world apart from the rest of the fleet.

 

[Mrs. Fortescue]

But it doesn't really help in terms of day to day operation. The 153/9 must run attached to something else and that will still be the case after the refurb.

I’m well aware of that.

It does help in day-to-day operation. It boosts capacity. Can free up more 150s that are doing mainline work to go onto the valleys.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes, the Shrewsbury to Crewe local and the Blaenau Ffestiniog Branch (Post Covid) are also singles.

They are at the moment, but the PRM conversion reduces capacity sufficiently that you'd want to run pairs.

 

[Mrs. Fortescue]

It does buy time though - it means the non PRM 153s can stay in service beyond May without getting further extensions.

It might also help address the shocking condition the ex Anglia 153s arrived in - they are a world apart from the rest of the fleet.

They’re dreadful aren’t they?

The EMR ones are very nice, however. I do enjoy my morning commute on one of those, it’s normally a pair of 153s these days.