Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[Doveymain158]

Certainly not May, none are complete at Newton Aycliffe and none have been seen outside the factory on testing yet.

Has there any pictures of them been seen outside factory?

 

[800001]

Has there any pictures of them been seen outside factory?

Only of the shells arriving by road.
Shells for 805002 started to arrive at factory on 09/02/22, after being in store at Barton on Humberside for nearly two years.

The first shells arrived at factory in July 2020 for unit 805001.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Only of the shells arriving by road.
Shells for 805002 started to arrive at factory on 09/02/22, after being in store at Barton on Humberside for nearly two years.

The first shells arrived at factory in July 2020 for unit 805001.

Slow going giving the speed they produced the Lumo units.

 

[Carlisle]

Slow going giving the speed they produced the Lumo units.

Perhaps there’s no particular rush to introduce them, for starters they’re slower than the Voyagers they’re replacing.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Perhaps there’s no particular rush to introduce them, for starters they’re slower than the Voyagers they’re replacing.

Lumo as a commercial operation was no doubt pushing to get theirs ASAP. There's no reason for Avanti not to want them (why would you order something you didn't want?) but they could well have paid a little less for slower delivery.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Lumo as a commercial operation was no doubt pushing to get theirs ASAP. There's no reason for Avanti not to want them (why would you order something you didn't want?) but they could well have paid a little less for slower delivery.

Rock Rail West Coast own them and have borrowed best part of 200m to finance the fleet on which they pay interest. They will have factored in a period of time for build and testing but First Trenitalia West Coast will be liable for cost once handed over. However, currently its between Hitachi and the Rock Rail West Coast to ensure contract delivery is adhered to but was probably a Force Majeure for covid which will account for some slippage.

 

[fgwrich]

Slow going giving the speed they produced the Lumo units.

Lumo as a commercial operation was no doubt pushing to get theirs ASAP. There's no reason for Avanti not to want them (why would you order something you didn't want?) but they could well have paid a little less for slower delivery.

Perhaps they are being delayed whilst Hitachi designs out and replaces the parts (bolster / dampers etc) which have caused them no end of trouble over the last two years?

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Perhaps they are being delayed whilst Hitachi designs out and replaces the parts (bolster / dampers etc) which have caused them no end of trouble over the last two years?

Good point to put a halt to new build until they have an approved solution for that as will be far easier and cheaper probably even at the expense of liquidated damages for delay to construct with that modification that have to reengineer it later.

 

[800001]

Perhaps they are being delayed whilst Hitachi designs out and replaces the parts (bolster / dampers etc) which have caused them no end of trouble over the last two years?

I thought that was sorted with new builds? And it is only the original built (LNER/Tpe/Gwr) that need rectification?

 

[MattyJames]

Perhaps there’s no particular rush to introduce them, for starters they’re slower than the Voyagers they’re replacing.

Slower in terms of top speed yes, but i am sure the fast acceleration on electric will counteract this and keep journey times the same

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I thought that was sorted with new builds? And it is only the original built (LNER/Tpe/Gwr) that need rectification?

No, they haven't started rectification yet, although there are design solutions and trials I believe.
EMR/Avanti types might have a different design anyway.

 

[hexagon789]

Slower in terms of top speed yes, but i am sure the fast acceleration on electric will counteract this and keep journey times the same

They only do 0-125 about 40 secs quicker than a Pendolino, so it won't counteract that much.

 

[MattyJames]

They only do 0-125 about 40 secs quicker than a Pendolino, so it won't counteract that much.

I was referring to the faster acceleration than a Voyager. A Diesel.

 

[Mollman]

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/0...ns-on-avanti-west-coasts-new-train-fleet.html

Static testing begins on Avanti West Coast’s new train fleet​

by VICTORIA THOMPSON

13th June 2022

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Static testing has begun on Avanti West Coast’s new Hitachi Class 805 and 807 trains.
The bi-mode trains are being coupled together to mark the testing phase of the new trains, which are due to enter service in 2023.
All basic functionality, from brakes to engines, doors and toilets will be tested before the start of dynamic testing, which is when the trains will move under their own power for the first time.

The new fleet, which are on course to enter service in 2023, will compromise of 10 seven-carriage electric trains (Class 807s) and 13 five-carriage bi-mode trains (Class 805s).

Bogies for the new Avanti West Coast trains // Credit: Avanti West Coast
The Class 807s will be operated between London and Liverpool, whilst the bi-mode Class 805s will operate between London and Holyhead.

New photos have been revealed to show the progress on the new trains, which will replace outgoing Voyager trains.

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Work is progressing well on Avanti West Coast’s new fleet of trains in readiness for entry into service in 2023.

Meanwhile, work continues on Avanti’s Pendolino fleet at Alstom’s Widnes Depot – you can read more about the work and our visit to the Alstom factory by clicking here

Interior work on the new Avanti West Coast trains // Credit: Avanti West Coast
Phil Whittingham, Managing Director at Avanti West Coast said: “It’s great to see the new trains taking shape. The investment is a key part of our exciting plans to raise the bar for the UK rail industry, and our wider commitment to improve the customer experience and a more sustainable operation.”
Jim Brewin, Head of UK & Ireland at Hitachi Rail said: “Our teams across the UK are working tenaciously to deliver more Hitachi intercity trains, which are proven to boost reliability and performance.
We look forward to Avanti passengers experiencing the transformation that follows the introduction of this brand new fleet.”

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/0...ns-on-avanti-west-coasts-new-train-fleet.html

one presumes the trains are more advanced than the pictures!

 

[800001]

one presumes the trains are more advanced than the pictures!

They will be stock pictures.
As the ones that they refer to as testing, are in a separate building to those in photographs.

 

[Sonik]

Rock Rail West Coast own them and have borrowed best part of 200m to finance the fleet on which they pay interest. They will have factored in a period of time for build and testing but First Trenitalia West Coast will be liable for cost once handed over. However, currently its between Hitachi and the Rock Rail West Coast to ensure contract delivery is adhered to but was probably a Force Majeure for covid which will account for some slippage.

AWC will save on fuel costs, that gives them a motivation to get the 805s/807s in service ASAP too, Voyagers are particularly thirsty.

I think perhaps was the main reason for AWC ordering 80x in the first place.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

AWC will save on fuel costs, that gives them a motivation to get the 805s/807s in service ASAP too, Voyagers are particularly thirsty.

I think perhaps was the main reason for AWC ordering 80x in the first place.

Thirsty but very reliable, which appears to be more than can be said for the Hitachi series from the other classes. It’ll be interesting to see if failures on the WCML increase much.

 

[mmh]

Lumo as a commercial operation was no doubt pushing to get theirs ASAP. There's no reason for Avanti not to want them (why would you order something you didn't want?) but they could well have paid a little less for slower delivery.

Both Lumo's and Avanti's trains weren't ordered by those companies, or rather the companies behind those brands. They were of course ordered by ROSCO consortiums.

Which makes me wonder why do you think the consortium behind the Avanti brand is not a commercial operation?

 

[Peter0124]

Will the 9M52 08:52 Edinburgh to Euston and 9S93 16:43 Euston to Edinburgh services which currently operate with voyagers, run with 805s or will they switch to Pendolino?

 

[Halish Railway]

Will the 9M52 08:52 Edinburgh to Euston and 9S93 16:43 Euston to Edinburgh services which currently operate with voyagers, run with 805s or will they switch to Pendolino?

Pendolino. It will be Pendolinos only north of Preston.

 

[Peter0124]

Pendolino. It will be Pendolinos only north of Preston.

I see thanks. So I take it the Avanti ECS moves which run via Coatbridge and Falkirk will be withdrawn as I believe 390s aren't permitted that way IIRC?

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[Bletchleyite]

Both Lumo's and Avanti's trains weren't ordered by those companies, or rather the companies behind those brands. They were of course ordered by ROSCO consortiums.

Which makes me wonder why do you think the consortium behind the Avanti brand is not a commercial operation?

Because DaFT really controls everything, and Avanti isn't going to go bust if it gets them late, they would be bailed out or replaced.

 

[craigybagel]

I see thanks. So I take it the Avanti ECS moves which run via Coatbridge and Falkirk will be withdrawn as I believe 390s aren't permitted that way IIRC?

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Either that or 390s will need clearing.

If it does cease it won't be the only diversion route lost as a result of the removal of the Voyagers. The GSWR route via Kilmarnock will also be a no go. Sad, but probably better in the long run than so much running of diesel trains under the wires.

 

[Peter0124]

Either that or 390s will need clearing.

If it does cease it won't be the only diversion route lost as a result of the removal of the Voyagers. The GSWR route via Kilmarnock will also be a no go. Sad, but probably better in the long run than so much running of diesel trains under the wires.

Didn't realise about the GSW, that'll be a big one. Will thunderbirds return to drag the 390s that way? Or could they not just allow a few 805s to run north of Preston during times when the diversionary route is necessary?

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Didn't realise about the GSW, that'll be a big one. Will thunderbirds return to drag the 390s that way? Or could they not just allow a few 805s to run north of Preston during times when the diversionary route is necessary?

Well if they don't its a pretty poor use of taxpayers money.

 

[800001]

Well if they don't its a pretty poor use of taxpayers money.

Is the tax payer paying for the new trains?

 

[JonathanH]

Didn't realise about the GSW, that'll be a big one. Will thunderbirds return to drag the 390s that way? Or could they not just allow a few 805s to run north of Preston during times when the diversionary route is necessary?

No. Firstly, the relevant traincrews seem unlikely to sign 805s and secondly it isn't reasonable to cancel trains on the North Wales coast to provide stock for Glasgow to Carlisle. It has been discussed on the forum a number of times. Some have suggested that TPE learn the GSW to take over the diversionary work using 802s.

 

[Watershed]

There will still be other 80x stock that can divert via the G&SW...

 

[craigybagel]

Well if they don't its a pretty poor use of taxpayers money.

It would cost a lot more than rail replacement buses down the M74. Surely that would be the most effective use of tax payers money?