S&C closed North of Kirkby Stephen

[Adam0984]

The Settle to Carlisle line has been closed this evening between Kirkby Stephen and Carlisle after Network Rail deemed the line unsafe after a landslip last month and continuing rain has caused further issues. At the moment the line isn't due to reopen until 29th February.

 

[Peter Sarf]

At this rate Carlisle will be cut off !. I have never known it so bad - can we cancel this global warming please ?.

 

[Cheds]

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/l...times-8a085146-3ffc-4323-ba6f-12c2ad785cf8-ds

This link from the news and star features a steam loco delivering ballast...
is this a good PR photo or are we really using steam for engineering - and if so why? anyone know?

 

[matt]

That photo is from 2000 so no steam isn't being used on ballast trains.

 

[Cheds]

the news and star as up to date as ever then....

thank you

 

[Peter Sarf]

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/l...times-8a085146-3ffc-4323-ba6f-12c2ad785cf8-ds

This link from the news and star features a steam loco delivering ballast...
is this a good PR photo or are we really using steam for engineering - and if so why? anyone know?

Wierd. That looks like an EWS coloured brake van. Its a colour photo so also suggests it is more recent than when steam would have been expected.

 

[PHILIPE]

I'm not sure how to read into NRE site. We know there will be SLW until the end of the month but it could be interpreted to mean that there will be safety checks and could conclude that the end of the month refers to the SLW.

 

[Peter Sarf]

That photo is from 2000 so no steam isn't being used on ballast trains.

Doh. Oh well that explains it. But what was going on in 2000 that let a freight train hauled (propelled) by steam occur ?.

 

[deltic]

Doh. Oh well that explains it. But what was going on in 2000 that let a freight train hauled (propelled) by steam occur ?.

From Gordon Edgar's flicker page which has a similar photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/8446634311 Tuesday 19th December 2000

"Railtrack chartered LMS Stanier-designed Heavy Freight 8F 2-8-0 No. 48151 from Carnforth, which took a train of 20 hoppers from Hellifield to Ribblehead for loading, then forwarded them to Carlisle in appalling weather. This trip was to mark the reopening of the Settle to Carlisle railway line after a major refurbishment."

 

[Bletchleyite]

FWIW steam has been used on a Metrolink engineering train quite recently. Really!

 

[Lemmy99uk]

Network Rail LNW state that the line will remain closed for the foreseeable future due to the extent of the landslip.

From the photos I've seen, the line appears to be slipping into the River Eden - not good.

 

[yorksrob]

This will be very problematic if Appleby's cut off for the whole month . Do trains have the ability to turn around there? There's the junction for the old Warcop line but I don't know whether it's still used.

 

[LeylandLen]

There are 2 freights waiting to use S&C this eve, one due Appleby 2244 for New Biggin stopped at Settle junc and a southbound to Keton stopped nowoutside Carlisle. Also the CME winter express organised by RTC due to use S&C on Sat.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

This will be very problematic if Appleby's cut off for the whole month . Do trains have the ability to turn around there? There's the junction for the old Warcop line but I don't know whether it's still used.

Should be okay, there is a reverse cross-over just north of the station platforms and it is adjacent to the manned signal-box, so if they want to run trains up to there and reverse them, it shouldn't be an issue.

Would certainly be quicker for passengers than having to take a coach the whole way, particularly as the Settle to Appleby leg of the railway line does not follow the main road making it a slow drive for a rail replacement bus.

 

[Lemmy99uk]

This will be very problematic if Appleby's cut off for the whole month . Do trains have the ability to turn around there? There's the junction for the old Warcop line but I don't know whether it's still used.

Trains can still cross over at Appleby.

Emergency timetable Appleby to Leeds in force for tomorrow with an 05:00 ecs move from Skipton to Appleby for the first southbound.

 

[yorksrob]

Thanks for the info. That's some comfort for the region at least.

 

[sprinterguy]

the news and star as up to date as ever then....

They've got the right line, pictured a relevant type of engineers train and also referenced an event in recent history that adds some local colour...what more do you want?

 

[Bletchleyite]

'Tis a good job we aren't in the BR days of the 1980s any more. That'd have meant immediate permanent closure.

 

[deltic08]

At this rate Carlisle will be cut off !. I have never known it so bad - can we cancel this global warming please ?.

Newcastle-Carlisle about to reopen any day now.

 

[PHILIPE]

According to NRE Website, it is hoped to run a reduced service between Carlisle to Leeds later today. SLW.

 

[DarloRich]

Wierd. That looks like an EWS coloured brake van. Its a colour photo so also suggests it is more recent than when steam would have been expected.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/l...times-8a085146-3ffc-4323-ba6f-12c2ad785cf8-ds

This link from the news and star features a steam loco delivering ballast...
is this a good PR photo or are we really using steam for engineering - and if so why? anyone know?

It was a one off photographic charter thingy from about 2000 - makes a good picture. brake vans aren't often used on engineering trains these days

 

[najaB]

...brake vans aren't often used on engineering trains these days

They're also not often steam hauled either.

 

[DarloRich]

They're also not often steam hauled either.

if i had my way I thought that should be obvious!

 

[Galaxy]

Line will reopen at 06:00 tomorrow (the Down Main) so single line working will continue between Howe and Culgaith.

 

[alastair]

Line will reopen at 06:00 tomorrow (the Down Main) so single line working will continue between Howe and Culgaith.

Link to revised timetable: http://www.northernrail.org/news/7854

 

[PHILIPE]

Closed completely north of Appleby due discovery of unstable ground movement at Eden Brow. ETA for re-opening end of month and busses between Carlisle and Appleby.

 

[MarkRedon]

See http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/l...eks--c8e2ef4b-2ac5-48ea-8766-9f466b05f7f2-ds:

The Settle-Carlisle line has been closed again due to the threat of further landslips.

It is now expected to be shut for weeks.

Network Rail had partially reopened the route yesterday.

However its ground measurements have now detected further movement of a railway embankment at Eden Brow, near Appleby.

Martin Frobisher, Network Rail’s route managing director, said: “... "Since movement of the embankment was first detected by aerial monitoring, we have had a team of experts on site to monitor conditions and to measure ground movement.

"This team measured significant movement of the embankment overnight and we have needed to close the line.

"Major repairs are needed and the line is likely to be shut for many weeks while these take place.”

 

[trubla]

Woops. Son's Christmas present was for wife and self to go on 'The Pendle Dalesman' next wednesday. Was looking forward to steam hauled over the Settle Carlisle line.

 

[Solent&Wessex]

Closed completely north of Appleby due discovery of unstable ground movement at Eden Brow. ETA for re-opening end of month and busses between Carlisle and Appleby.

Network Rail Press Release says it will be shut "for many weeks".

Looking at the pictures and videos they've released I suspect that might be an understatement!

 

[yorksrob]

Well, it seems that NR have been doing their best to get the line open, however circumstances are conspiring against them.