ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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  1. 43096

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    End of the year. But, the plan is apparently for many of them to transfer to EMR for 12 months as they are more PRM compliant than the current EMR fleet.
     
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    Meaning: the conditions set by TS for the next franchise were easier than the ones under which First operated at the time?
     
  3. Highland37

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    I am on the platform. How will I recognise you?
     
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    Good luck with that! It looks very unlikely that EMR and XC will leave any spare 170s behind...

    Isn't that likely to happen if the 3-year extension is granted anyway?
     
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    It's still a ridiculous amount of time spent on 23m vehicle. I've been in dry dock jobs that have included a ships mid-life refit where pretty much everything is renewed or repaired in six weeks, these are substantially bigger bits of metal than a few Mk3 coaches. I've even been involved with inserting brand new section to lengthen a vessel which took three weeks, again a very complicated procedure.
     
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    Yes, but a ship is much bigger than a Mark 3, so you can get more people in. There is a limit to how many people you can have cutting and welding a Mark 3 at once, especially as it is a monocoque shell, so you can't just start cutting lots of bits out simultaneously.
     
  7. Northhighland

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    Sorry only noted this post just now. Would have certainly spoken to you. Usually on that train once a week. Monday, wed/ Thursday next week.
     
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    It's still a ridiculous amount of time being taken. What's the working day at Wabtec? 9-5 with breaks and probably only one fitter/welder per few coaches? I sincerely doubt there's 12 hours of work going into each set a day at this rate.
     
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    Yes, the money going into directors and shareholders pockets was a joke, as that is what some people like to say.
    I am aware the franchise has been propped up.
     
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    The latest issue of RAIL has many letters in it asking why the HSTs going off lease are not being used elsewhere. Not one mentions the condition of the vehicles and all suggest lots of ideas as if these trains are just ready to go on into the future as they have in the past.
     
  11. Northhighland

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    That is the problem with such a successful design. These trains are very comfortable to travel in and in some cases offer a preferable passenger experience to the trains that replace them.

    I have to say the refurb I was on yesterday was a very pleasant way to travel to Glasgow.

    However you also have a point. They can’t go on for ever. Think that for the next 6 months every effort has to go into getting them working reliably and delivering a full HST timetable.

    Then the future needs to be looked at.
     
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    I guess they won't go on forever, but there surely will be a minimum period of use specified in the contract to cover the refurb costs - after which Abellio will be able to assess the costs vs 755s in East anglia and the Hitachi 80x coming to EMR. And clearly, if the accountants see an opportunity to save money leasing new stock taking into account reliability / maintenance, fuel, lease termination charges etc - then i am sure they will not hesitate to bring in a replacement.
     
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    There is a Doncaster Works to Aberdeen move tomorrow. Maybe it's 3rd time lucky for HA19?
     
  14. John Bishop

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    Refurb set on the 1713 Inverness to Aberdeen tonight
     
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    But from the wagon shops, not Wabtec?
     
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    Any news on how many diagrams have been fulfilled by 'classic' or refurbished sets in the last day or two? And if so - which ones?
     
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    Anyone know if Kilmarnock are making much of a dent in the work?
     
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    I pass daily, whilst I'm not sure about inside they have 2 coaches outside now with stripped out interiors and underframes painted. Not sure about any progress with body repairs.
     
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    I'm just completely bemused at the Scotrail HST situation. I know the issues with refurbishments but leaving those issues aside (because even the 7 delivered sets don't seem to be in regular service) ...

    They have 54 power cars which, I think, have nearly all been refurbed and the first arrived in Scotland over 2 years ago now.

    Excluding a training set, they have 13 classic sets and 7 refurbished sets and yet day-after-day they can get nowhere near running 10 diagrams per day.

    It's truly unbelievable. I wonder what the program management think that failure looks like.
     
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    Also noted that a refub set (HA20) is at Brodie, Kilmarnock this morning.
     
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    And it hasn't moved, it seems.
     
  23. Highland37

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    Well said.
     
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    Auto-activated 2 hours before; when that happens, it's almost certainly not going to run.
     
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    Strange it's not been cancelled yet though.
     
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    STP path back to Leicester at 1410
     
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    ...which hasn't yet been activated. Wonder if today's jolly might be for route refreshment in advance of more stock heading to Donny after such a long fallow period?
     
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    So if we are now at 7 delivered Refurbs when do we start seeing 5 card sets being delivered?

    Wasn't the original plan to be a 20x5 and 6x4 car sets? or will they get all sets out as 4s then splice int he 5th car once they become available
     
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    Couldn't agree more!! Only five refurbs have been delivered this year, despite the three extra "classics " usage seems to have gone down. Scotrail has been rarely out of the news this year (not just regarding this though) Doesn't show any signs of improving either, any bets to when all 26 will be delivered AND in service? 2022?!
     
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    Never?
     

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