ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[Highland37]

Many don't try the train as they have bus passes but the issue with that is they often don't turn up it's so cheap. That's a separate issue though.

Wabtec appear to have settled into a roughly six week time between sets which whilst being painfully slow and very late, is at least slightly more steady relative to this time last year.

I also noted that the lights are often set to "dim" now. How it takes staff time to get used to this is beyond me. It took my daughter about 30 seconds.

 

[jamieintercity]

I believe the next delivery to Scotland will be on Friday.

Looks like its on the move. Does that mean we now have half the refurbished sets in Scotland (this would be the 13th set out of 26?)

 

[Carntyne]

Wabtec appear to have settled into a roughly six week time between sets which whilst being painfully slow and very late, is at least slightly more steady relative to this time last year.

From the looks of things, they've had 3 sets delivered in the past 3 weeks.

 

[hexagon789]

Looks like its on the move. Does that mean we now have half the refurbished sets in Scotland (this would be the 13th set out of 26?)

Yes, this is Set 13

 

[Highland37]

From the looks of things, they've had 3 sets delivered in the past 3 weeks.

Yes I am working on averages per programme, roughly.

 

[St. Paddy]

Anyone know the consist please?

 

[Paul Kerr]

Anyone know the consist please?

Coaches: TGFB 40618 (ex 41016) TSD 42297 TS 42555 and TSL 42014

Power cars: 43026 and 43143

HTH
Paul

 

[St. Paddy]

Coaches: TGFB 40618 (ex 41016) TSD 42297 TS 42555 and TSL 42014

Power cars: 43026 and 43143

HTH
Paul

Thanks Paul

 

[59CosG95]

Thanks Paul

The set number is, presumably, HA14.

 

[SC318250]

Looks like a HST went to Brodies this morning

 

[SC318250]

Looks like a HST went to Brodies this morning

not sure if for C4 or if it was the one that had a fight with a tree a few weeks ago

 

[InvHst]

not sure if for C4 or if it was the one that had a fight with a tree a few weeks ago

Was a refurb for a c4 the one that had the fight is being fixed at haymarket currently

 

[jamieintercity]

Looks like another set of coaches are on their way to Ely from haymarket this morning for storage then maybe take more coaches to Doncaster for refurbishment

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00063/2020-02-26/detailed

 

[_toommm_]

If anyone is interested, there’s quite an interesting little thread of text and pictures on Twitter. A (presumably) social media person from Scotrail details the journey from Wabtec back to Scotland:

https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/1232380656090570753?s=21

 

[trebor79]

Looks like another set of coaches are on their way to Ely from haymarket this morning for storage then maybe take more coaches to Doncaster for refurbishment

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00063/2020-02-26/detailed

Saw the 4 coaches departing Ely for Doncaster. Power cars in Inter7ity livery.
Stupid question time, why don't the coaches from Haymarket go for refurbishment? What's the point of swapping them with stored coaches at Ely?

 

[59CosG95]

Saw the 4 coaches departing Ely for Doncaster. Power cars in Inter7ity livery.
Stupid question time, why don't the coaches from Haymarket go for refurbishment? What's the point of swapping them with stored coaches at Ely?

1 of the 4 coaches in each 'classic' set is a TGS, which aren't in ScotRail's 4-car refurbs.
Classic layout: TF/TS/TS/TGS.
Refurb layout: TFMB/TS/TS/TS.
The TGS is dumped at Ely and exchanged for another TS; the other 3 coaches have to tag along all the way to Ely & back presumably to minimise shunting time.

 

[59CosG95]

Also yesterday, this move ran. HA05 has gone for store/conversion.

43026+43126 just passed through York taking some presumably off lease coaches from Haymarket to Ely. Coaches are 41022, 42030, 42010 and 44010.

My guess is that 44010 was left at Ely.

 

[Speed43125]

presumably to minimise shunting time.

Is it not for break force reasons as well? I recall a limit of 90 or 100 for 43 + Mk.3 +43 sets, but am i mistaken?

 

[hexagon789]

Is it not for break force reasons as well? I recall a limit of 90 or 100 for 43 + Mk.3 +43 sets, but am i mistaken?

If you mean short-formed HST sets; there's nothing to stop two power cars running at 125mph.

 

[Speed43125]

If you mean short-formed HST sets; there's nothing to stop two power cars running at 125mph.

Okay. Dunno what I was thinking then.... Thanks mate.

 

[hexagon789]

Okay. Dunno what I was thinking then.... Thanks mate.

It's come up before and seems to be a carry over from when the HSTs were first introduced, but after modifications were made to the brakes a few years into the 1980s, there was no longer any real difference in stopping distance between short and long sets.

 

[Ranmor]

1509 GLQ to INV, Classic HST, abandoned at Perth today because a door wouldn't stay shut. Much banging with hammers to no avail. Abandon ship called at 1630. Passengers with ScotRail tickets told to wait until 1910 for next service.

 

[PG]

Is it not for break force reasons as well? I recall a limit of 90 or 100 for 43 + Mk.3 +43 sets, but am i mistaken?

If you mean short-formed HST sets; there's nothing to stop two power cars running at 125mph.

I know its not what you meant but (my bolding) if taken literally thats slightly scary

 

[BRX]

1509 GLQ to INV, Classic HST, abandoned at Perth today because a door wouldn't stay shut. Much banging with hammers to no avail. Abandon ship called at 1630. Passengers with ScotRail tickets told to wait until 1910 for next service.

Not allowed to take the LNER service?

 

[Highland37]

The 1727 from Inverness to Glasgow terminated at Perth.

 

[leightonbd]

Not all gloom. My two journeys yesterday (Edinburgh -Aberdeen return) were both refurb HSTs and both ran on time. Good loadings and could do with the fifth carriage if that is ever an option. On one the catering was a trolley and the other (the southbound) they used the buffet. The FC (which I did not use) looked very attractive.

That vertical bike storage facility has trouble written all over it though. People were reversing bikes in and leaving them sticking out into the gangway.

 

[hexagon789]

I know its not what you meant but (my bolding) if taken literally thats slightly scary

I meant there's no reason, post-early 1980s brake mods, that two power cars alone couldn't run at 125mph and stop within the distances required by the W125 braking curve, but I think you got that?

Not all gloom. My two journeys yesterday (Edinburgh -Aberdeen return) were both refurb HSTs and both ran on time. Good loadings and could do with the fifth carriage if that is ever an option. On one the catering was a trolley and the other (the southbound) they used the buffet. The FC (which I did not use) looked very attractive.

That vertical bike storage facility has trouble written all over it though. People were reversing bikes in and leaving them sticking out into the gangway.

Agreed about the extra trailers, can't come soon enough really and the cycle storage is a joke, it's been a joke since Day 1.

 

[greyman42]

1509 GLQ to INV, Classic HST, abandoned at Perth today because a door wouldn't stay shut. Much banging with hammers to no avail. Abandon ship called at 1630. Passengers with ScotRail tickets told to wait until 1910 for next service.

Could they not have just locked it?

 

[Aictos]

1 of the 4 coaches in each 'classic' set is a TGS, which aren't in ScotRail's 4-car refurbs.
Classic layout: TF/TS/TS/TGS.
Refurb layout: TFMB/TS/TS/TS.
The TGS is dumped at Ely and exchanged for another TS; the other 3 coaches have to tag along all the way to Ely & back presumably to minimise shunting time.

Why couldn’t they just convert the TGS coaches to provide a 1st Class coach eg make it a Trailer Guard First and instead convert a TF to Trailer Standard?

That would make more sense as not only would you get more seats in Standard but you would also have a decent luggage area for cycles and luggage etc

Never knew quite why any TOC never did this when it’s fairly obvious it would provide more seats.

 

[marks87]

Why couldn’t they just convert the TGS coaches to provide a 1st Class coach eg make it a Trailer Guard First and instead convert a TF to Trailer Standard?

That would make more sense as not only would you get more seats in Standard but you would also have a decent luggage area for cycles and luggage etc

Never knew quite why any TOC never did this when it’s fairly obvious it would provide more seats.

So are you advocating removing the buffet? That’s the only way you’d get more standard seats in a 4 or 5 coach set using your idea.