ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[Esker-pades]

Could they not have just locked it?

No, it never occurred to them .
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[Aictos]

So are you advocating removing the buffet? That’s the only way you’d get more standard seats in a 4 or 5 coach set using your idea.

No simply in a 5 car formation you have a Trailer Guard First - Trailer Buffet Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard eg 5 coaches with the two power cars which would give better seating capacity plus a decent space to put cycles.

For the likes of LNER if they still had the HSTs, they should have operated them Trailer Guard First - Trailer First - Trailer First - Trailer Buffet Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard with the TGS being swapped with a TF and the TBF being converted to Standard so they have the same layout as the Mk4s.

Not rocket science at all!

 

[hexagon789]

Why couldn’t they just convert the TGS coaches to provide a 1st Class coach eg make it a Trailer Guard First and instead convert a TF to Trailer Standard?

That would make more sense as not only would you get more seats in Standard but you would also have a decent luggage area for cycles and luggage etc

Never knew quite why any TOC never did this when it’s fairly obvious it would provide more seats.

Makes more sense to use the buffet in ScotRail's case. A TGS fully converted to First Class would be too much space for first really.

 

[hexagon789]

Could they not have just locked it?

Depends what the fault was

 

[marks87]

No simply in a 5 car formation you have a Trailer Guard First - Trailer Buffet Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard eg 5 coaches with the two power cars which would give better seating capacity plus a decent space to put cycles.

I still don’t understand.

The refurbs have a half coach of first class (a Trailer Buffet First). If and when they expand to 5 cars, slotting in a Trailer Guard Standard will give more standard class seats than your proposal, without needing any refits.

 

[43096]

For the likes of LNER if they still had the HSTs, they should have operated them Trailer Guard First - Trailer First - Trailer First - Trailer Buffet Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard - Trailer Standard with the TGS being swapped with a TF and the TBF being converted to Standard so they have the same layout as the Mk4s.

But which actually provides fewer seats than the way they were configured.

I rather think that GNER, NXEC, East Coast and VTEC knew rather more about the loadings in first and standard class on their booked trains than you do, which is why they were configured as they were. The same, no doubt, applies to ScotRail.

 

[scotraildriver]

No, it never occurred to them .
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The door needs to be closed to be locked. It wouldn't close.............

 

[Aictos]

But which actually provides fewer seats than the way they were configured.

I rather think that GNER, NXEC, East Coast and VTEC knew rather more about the loadings in first and standard class on their booked trains than you do, which is why they were configured as they were. The same, no doubt, applies to ScotRail.

I'm sure a Trailer Standard has more seats then a Trailer Guard Standard.

 

[43096]

I'm sure a Trailer Standard has more seats then a Trailer Guard Standard.

And I'm sure that a TGS has more seats than a TRSB.

For the East Coast fleet you were proposing having a TGF in place of a TRFB for first class - which is an increase in first class seating. Likewise that can only mean a TRSB in place of a TGS. Which is a reduction in seats.

 

[47271]

I rather think that GNER, NXEC, East Coast and VTEC knew rather more about the loadings in first and standard class on their booked trains than you do, which is why they were configured as they were.

Sure

The same, no doubt, applies to ScotRail.

Not so sure

 

[Esker-pades]

The door needs to be closed to be locked. It wouldn't close.............

Hence why it was such a thick question. Don't worry, I'm on your side.

 

[hexagon789]

And I'm sure that a TGS has more seats than a TRSB.

Depends exactly on whether that's as built or the various later conversions. A TRSB as built had 35 std; a TGS 63 Std.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Hello everyone. How's the Scotrail HST refurbishment doing - meaning how many services are now running as a refurbished HST / how many of the modernised sets do Scotrail now have?

Just asking so I know how big the chances are of me catching an Inter7city HST on the 11:32 from Edinburgh to Aberdeen on the 17/04/20.

 

[route101]

Hello everyone. How's the Scotrail HST refurbishment doing - meaning how many services are now running as a refurbished HST / how many of the modernised sets do Scotrail now have?

Just asking so I know how big the chances are of me catching an Inter7city HST on the 11:32 from Edinburgh to Aberdeen on the 17/04/20.

Probably a good chance . Make sure you ask on twitter ,

 

[hexagon789]

Hello everyone. How's the Scotrail HST refurbishment doing - meaning how many services are now running as a refurbished HST / how many of the modernised sets do Scotrail now have?

Just asking so I know how big the chances are of me catching an Inter7city HST on the 11:32 from Edinburgh to Aberdeen on the 17/04/20.

There are 13 refurb sets available for service, and it's getting rarer to see Classic sets, not sure if they still do but, at the beginning of the day, ScotRail used to tweet a list of Inter7City worked services. They might not given the increased numbers in traffic now.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Thanks to both route101 and hexagon789 .

I'll tweet / DM Scotrail in the morning.

If it's a classic set then it is - still the same First Class colours and every door is a slam door.

I'd rather an HST than a DMU substitution.

 

[43096]

It’s been reported elsewhere that 43185 has now moved to Haymarket to join 43018 to be a spare part donor for the ScotRail fleet.

 

[alexf380]

Run out of spare parts already?

 

[mr-magoo]

It’s been reported elsewhere that 43185 has now moved to Haymarket to join 43018 to be a spare part donor for the ScotRail fleet.

43185 is still at Ely.

 

[43055]

Hello everyone. How's the Scotrail HST refurbishment doing - meaning how many services are now running as a refurbished HST / how many of the modernised sets do Scotrail now have?

Just asking so I know how big the chances are of me catching an Inter7city HST on the 11:32 from Edinburgh to Aberdeen on the 17/04/20.

Recently around 10 sets out on a weekday (9 yesterday) from the reports I have seen on Facebook with 2 to 3 being classics. Today and yesterday the 1132 has been a referb set.

 

[47271]

I'm not convinced that things are going as well as some are making out on here.

Haymarket depot was stuffed full of HSTs going nowhere yesterday morning. On the Highland Main Line over the the past week I've only seen classics, and I haven't travelled on anything other than 158s and 170s over the past month.

Now maybe I've been unlucky, but to me it doesn't feel any better now than it did six months ago.

 

[Speed43125]

I'm not convinced that things are going as well as some are making out on here.

Haymarket depot was stuffed full of HSTs going nowhere yesterday morning. On the Highland Main Line over the the past week I've only seen classics, and I haven't travelled on anything other than 158s and 170s over the past month.

Now maybe I've been unlucky, but to me it doesn't feel any better now than it did six months ago.

I will agree many DMUs are still operating though I've not seen a 2 car 158 in ages now. Most HSTs are refurbs, and today I've seen one diagram operating out of Glasgow in GWR green, the rest were refurbs.
I'd say at least half of services are HSTs, on most days most services that I see (that's trains out of GLQ) are refurb HST. I will agree, it seems a little down compared to a week ago, but it's not that bad either, IMO obviously.

 

[JohnMcL7]

Still not had a chance to try an HST as the last two trips I took a couple of weeks ago were substituted by turbostars

 

[Northhighland]

I'm not convinced that things are going as well as some are making out on here.

Haymarket depot was stuffed full of HSTs going nowhere yesterday morning. On the Highland Main Line over the the past week I've only seen classics, and I haven't travelled on anything other than 158s and 170s over the past month.

Now maybe I've been unlucky, but to me it doesn't feel any better now than it did six months ago.

Been travelling a bit less over the last month but the four round trips from Inverness have all been refurbs and very decent journeys.

Certainly seem to have got on top of the reliability, some credit must go to them for the improvement


Notice though the livery on the power cars isn’t standing up all that well. A lot of them look tatty and dirty and not like shiny refurbs.

 

[Highland37]

I've had two HST trips, one broke down at Perth and the other was a classic, and two units. A few weeks ago it seemed like they were getting somewhere but clearly the units are still needed to fill in for the HSTs.

 

[John Bishop]

I'm not convinced that things are going as well as some are making out on here.

Haymarket depot was stuffed full of HSTs going nowhere yesterday morning. On the Highland Main Line over the the past week I've only seen classics, and I haven't travelled on anything other than 158s and 170s over the past month.

Now maybe I've been unlucky, but to me it doesn't feel any better now than it did six months ago.

Remember that not all HML services are HST, there’s still a very small number of services booked as HSTs on the HML, so you will still likely end up on a unit for most of the diagrams. There should be more booked at May timetable change.

 

[jamieintercity]

Just seen a haymarket to Doncaster move go past york railcam at 0918, consist was 4 FGW coaches.

 

[hexagon789]

Just seen a haymarket to Doncaster move go past york railcam at 0918, consist was 4 FGW coaches.

Another classic off-lease presumably, that leaves five

 

[gingertom]

Another classic off-lease presumably, that leaves five

or maybe classic coaches going in for their refurb?

 

[hexagon789]

or maybe classic coaches going in for their refurb?

Could be, I'm not sure what's happened to the previous sets for instance