Going by the BBC picture of it crossing Hawthorn Street on the way back to Eastfield, the George Square end power car was still smoking - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-48672955 3rd picture
not second or send people to shadow the GWR teams?GWR have 40+ years operating HSTs - they're a totally new traction for Scotrail. Don't underestimate the learning curve - it's been pretty steep...
The point about the training is very well made - I'd think that's why they've been scarce on the HML diagrams just now
They don't want to go to a place full of diesel fumes from and malfunctioning unit
Someone I know bought a used car with 12k genuine miles on the clock, meticulously maintained, and a couple of months later (and out of warranty) the turbo let go, lots of smoke, no power. ££££ to fix. Age and maintenance regimes aren't always a factor. Sometimes these things just happen.
They did. Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened.Why did Scotrail not second or send people to shadow the GWR teams?
It's hardly a regular occurance.
They did. Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
Really? You want to get yourself to a modern railway like OBB in Austria. No diesel fumes in stations much less well used and better used than Queen Street. It's 2019 and here we are using ancient stock, hardly any of which is actually with the operator, with a poor training programme and a railway unable to deliver the service it itself promised.
I like the HSTs, but the shambolic nature of this programme has put me right off the railway.
The irony, when the mainstay of ÖBB’s intercity fleet is 100% loco hauled. Where as here our traction is, in general, far more modern. The HSTs are perfectly suitable for these InterScotland trips. They are IMO highly inadequate for long journeys such as GWR London to Cornwall and the 80x are much better for those journeys, but the shortened HST is ideal for the journeys ScotRail use them on and the exhaust fumes really are minimal.Really? You want to get yourself to a modern railway like OBB in Austria. No diesel fumes in stations much less well used and better used than Queen Street. It's 2019 and here we are using ancient stock, hardly any of which is actually with the operator, with a poor training programme and a railway unable to deliver the service it itself promised.
I like the HSTs, but the shambolic nature of this programme has put me right off the railway.
Yes passengers are such a pain, they are so stupid.You are both wasting your time trying to explain.
So why are you not ScotRail MD if you know it all?Yes passengers are such a pain, they are so stupid.
Training excuse is really poor and has worn so thin it is now threadbare. Scotrail have had a few years to plan for this. It was obvious classics were going to needed at least a year before they did anything.
Hard to argue this is anything other than a shambles. Also the GWR point if experience is so vital why not make more use of GWR knowledge?
Still doesn’t explain the classic sets lying out of service. The number leased would indicate more should be in service than currently is the case.
Perfectly reasonable points to make.
It is. You've got (more or less) an hourly Edinburgh-Aberdeen taking 2h30, an hourly Glasgow-Aberdeen taking 3h, an hourly Inverness taking 3h30, and an hourly Aberdeen-Inverness taking 2h15. That's 23 sets working, plus some extras for maintenance.I thought it would be for all long-distance travel for ScotRail
Having it at all is a decent improvement over the trolley, and I assume that the buffet counter also has more stock than a trolley could.I'm not sure there's a significantly improved hot food provision, they do hot pies/toasties and things, only slightly better than the trolley only arrangement it seems.
So why are you not ScotRail MD if you know it all?
I take it that would allow the power cars to be shut down at termini?
Didn't the latest issue of Modern Railways show that the 2+4 sets were pretty unreliable in period 13?
Having it at all is a decent improvement over the trolley, and I assume that the buffet counter also has more stock than a trolley could.
Not sure if you're just taking about the Scotrail 4+2 sets, ot the GWR 'Castle' sets as well? I'd expect the GWR ones to be better, given the 40+ Years of experience & infrastructure that's in place for them (as scotraildriver said in an earlier post).
Would imagine it does, and certainly it is an improvement but I think it needs two staff members to work effectively. One each for the trolley and the buffet.
Yes it would. The shore supply keeps the ETS (train supply) running, without having a power car running. It's more for the stabling points at the depots, rather than the station platforms though - I don't know if the stations are being equipped or not? For HSTs with quick turnarounds, it probably wouldn't be used anyway. Currently, an HST stabled at the depot in the evening, for service the next day, would be left with a power car running (at 1000rpm, equivalent to Notch 2 power) all night. Not ideal!
It should be two their rather short of staff at the moment,training new staff is apparently ongoing.
Would imagine it does, and certainly it is an improvement but I think it needs two staff members to work effectively. One each for the trolley and the buffet.
Should cut both noise, pollution and fuel costs and so it's very important addition I would think, hopefully they get the supplies in place soon.
Current rumour is that only 1 hospitality staff member will be onboard. Which isn't great. I've not travelled on a refurbished set in service yet, but others have said that the buffet hasn't been used & has only had a trolley onboard. Seems like missing an open goal to me. .
Definetly! I heard the shore supplies would be installed once the actual building/infrastructure work is completed
Yes passengers are such a pain, they are so stupid.
Training excuse is really poor and has worn so thin it is now threadbare. Scotrail have had a few years to plan for this. It was obvious classics were going to needed at least a year before they did anything.
Hard to argue this is anything other than a shambles. Also the GWR point if experience is so vital why not make more use of GWR knowledge?
Still doesn’t explain the classic sets lying out of service. The number leased would indicate more should be in service than currently is the case.
Perfectly reasonable points to make.
A new classic HST set was introduced today into service However due to signal fault earlier in the day has ended up in Dundee carriage sidings. Interesting to see them put another into the mix is this to get them up to scratch before the August reopen of the line between Inverness and aberdeen when a few diagrams change.
Also question for Inverness guys what's the situation regarding the 0707 from queen Street what does it work when it gets to Inverness now I'm curious as it worked the 1527 today to huntly and goes to Elgin as well
I'm sure the locals will be pleased at the noise reduction!