ScotRail "Inter7City" HST Diagrams

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  1. Bald Rick

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    I wondered that. There’s a Perth to Queen St early next morning (the next train out of the arrival platform at Perth), however at Queen St that forms a Dunblane service. Confused!
     
  2. SWTrainspottin

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    Not too sure myself. RTT suggests that it ends up in platform 3 at Perth but then nothing after that. I would assume ECS somewhere else.
     
  3. greatkingrat

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    Looks like it forms 5A53 0647 Perth - Glasgow Queen Street 0812 the next morning, then follows Diagram 5 in the original post.
     
  4. SWTrainspottin

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    Ah thanks.
     
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    Does the Sunday Glasgow Queen Street - Elgin via Inverness return back to Inverness Depot as an empty coaching stock move?
     
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    5H13 1859 Elgin - Inverness TMD 2011
     
  7. InvHst

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    Anybody have an idea what diagrams are valid from Sunday HST wise??
     
  8. Railperf

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    Can anyone confirm whether 15.08 glasgow to inverness and the 18.54 inverness to edinburgh will be an hst roday?
     
  9. route101

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    Think there needs to be diagram sticky for new timetable if theres not already one
     
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    Definitely, lots of things seem to have changed and the previous diagrams no longer work. There should be more HST diagrams anyway.
     
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    What's happened to all the units which were released by these HST diagrams, where have they gone?
     
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    Some of them went to Northern
     
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    170s were supposed to replace all 158s on the Borders, the 158s and other 170s would be Fife and the new Arbroath semi-fast and Montrose-Inverurie?
     
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    DISCLAIMER: ACCURACY MAY BE QUESTIONABLE

    Not perfect I know but seeing as no proper diagrams have been posted yet I considered it was better than nothing. The following is a list of all services booked to be HST according to RTT.

    In absence of anything else hopefully it can at least provide a reference for people to say whether or not something ran as an HST

    GLASGOW-ABERDEEN

    Mon-Fri
    1A47 0553 HST
    1A51 0741 HST
    1A53 0839 HST
    1A57 0940 HST
    1A59 1040 HST
    1A61 1139 HST
    1A63 1239 HST
    1A67 1339 HST
    1A69 1439 (Inverness) 170
    1A73 1539 HST
    1A77 1642 HST
    1A83 1740 HST
    1A87 1840 HST
    1A89 1938 HST
    1A91 2040 HST
    1A95 2140 HST

    Saturdays
    1A47 0553 HST
    1A51 0741 HST
    1A53 0841 HST
    1A57 0940 HST
    1A59 1039 HST
    1A61 1137 HST
    1A63 1239 HST
    1A67 1339 HST
    1A69 1440 170
    1A73 1538 HST
    1A77 1642 HST
    1A83 1740 HST
    1A87 1840 HST
    1A89 1938 HST
    1A91 2040 HST
    1A95 2140 HST

    Sundays
    1A81 0937 HST
    1A85 1145 170
    1A86 1243 HST
    1A97 1345 HST
    1A88 1450 HST
    1A89 1545 170
    1A90 1645 HST
    1A91 1745 170
    1A93 1944 HST
    1A95 2144 HST

    ABERDEEN-GLASGOW

    Mon-Fri

    1T06 0539 HST
    1T08 0638 HST
    1T10 0735 HST
    1T12 0849 HST
    1T14 0942 HST
    1T18 1046 HST
    1T20 1145 170
    1T22 1247 HST
    1T26 1348 HST
    1T32 1442 HST
    1T34 1538 HST
    1T38 1630 HST
    1T40 1739 HST
    1T44 1838 HST
    1T48 1943 HST
    1T54 2044 HST

    Saturdays
    1T06 0539 HST
    1T08 0638 HST
    1T10 0735 HST
    1T12 0849 HST
    1T14 0942 HST
    1T18 1046 HST
    1T20 1145 170
    1T22 1247 HST
    1T26 1348 HST
    1T32 1442 HST
    1T34 1538 HST
    1T38 1630 HST
    1T40 1739 HST
    1T44 1838 HST
    1T48 1943 HST
    1T54 2044 HST

    Sundays
    1T76 0922 HST
    1T77 1031 HST
    1T78 1127 (ex-Inverurie) HST
    1T79 1229 170
    1T82 1332 HST
    1T83 1431 170
    1T84 1528 170
    1T85 1629 HST
    1T86 1744 HST
    1T88 1936 HST


    EDINBURGH-ABERDEEN


    Mon-Fri
    1A41 0530 HST
    1A45 0729 HST
    1A49 0831 170
    1A55 0928 HST
    1A71 1132 HST
    1A75 1230 HST
    1A65 1330 170
    1A78 1528 HST
    1A79 1628 HST
    1A81 1736 HST
    1A88 1934 HST
    1A97 2143 170

    Saturdays
    1A41 0530 HST
    1A45 0729 HST
    1A49 0828 170
    1A55 0928 HST
    1A71 1130 HST
    1A75 1230 HST
    1A65 1330 170
    1A78 1530 HST
    1A79 1627 HST
    1A81 1736 HST
    1A88 1934 HST
    1A97 2143 170

    Sundays
    1A79 0913 170
    1A83 1050 170
    1A65 1241 HST
    1A77 1605 HST
    1A87 1705 HST
    1A99 2100 HST

    ABERDEEN-EDINBURGH

    Mon-Fri
    1B07 0549 HST
    1B14 0707 (ex-Inverness) HST
    1B18 0904 HST
    1B24 1102 HST
    1B28 1207 170
    1B32 1312 HST
    1B35 1357 HST
    1B40 1602 HST
    1B43 1715 170
    1B47 1916 HST
    1B51 2010 HST
    1B42 2107 HST

    Saturdays
    1B07 0549 HST
    1B14 0707 (ex-Inverness) HST
    1B18 0904 HST
    1B24 1102 HST
    1B28 1207 170
    1B32 1312 HST
    1B35 1357 HST
    1B40 1602 HST
    1B43 1715 170
    1B76 1818 170
    1B47 1916 HST
    1B51 2009 HST
    1B42 2107 HST

    Sundays
    1B72 1245 HST
    1B74 1509 170
    1B43 1709 HST
    1B76 1907 170
    1B64 2006 HST


    GLASGOW-INVERNESS

    Mon-Fri
    1H05 0707 HST
    1H09 1010 170
    1H51 1208 HST
    1H15 1508 HST
    1H53 1806 170

    Saturdays
    1H05 0707 HST
    1H09 1010 170
    1H51 1209 HST
    1H15 1508 HST
    1H53 1809 170

    Sundays
    1H09 1111 HST
    1H13 1438 (Elgin) 170
    1H17 1811 (Elgin) 170

    INVERNESS-GLASGOW

    Mon-Fri

    1T98 0845 HST
    1T99 1448 170
    1T62 1727 HST
    1T56 2016 170

    Saturdays
    1T98 0845 HST
    1T99 1448 170
    1T62 1725 HST
    1T56 2016 170

    Sundays
    1T80 1241 Unit
    1T72 1624 HST


    EDINBURGH-INVERNESS

    Mon-Fri
    1H07 0834 HST
    1H11 1037 170
    1H13 1333 HST
    1H17 1742 HST
    1H19 1939 HST

    Saturdays
    1H07 0833 HST
    1H11 1037 170
    1H13 1333 HST
    1H17 1742 HST
    1H19 1939 HST

    Sundays
    1H45 0929 HST
    1H41 1356 170
    1H43 1550 HST

    INVERNESS-EDINBURGH

    Mon-Fri
    1B14 0453 (via Aberdeen) HST
    1B06 0536 170
    1B08 0650 170
    1B52 0944 HST
    1B22 1046 170
    1B31 1248 HST
    1B54 1554 HST
    1B44 1854 HST

    Saturdays
    1B14 0453 (via Aberdeen) HST
    1B06 0536 170
    1B08 0650 170
    1B52 0944 HST
    1B22 1046 170
    1B31 1248 HST
    1B54 1554 HST
    1B44 1845 HST

    Sundays
    1B52 1053 HST
    1B44 1333 HST
    1B54 1523 HST
    1B62 1852 HST


    INVERNESS-ABERDEEN

    Mon-Fri
    1B14 0453 (to Edinburgh) HST
    1A44 0600 HST
    1A46 0715 158
    1A48 0901 158
    1A50 1102 HST
    1A52 1244 158
    1A54 1428 158
    1A56 1527 (to Stonehaven) 158
    1A58 1713 HST
    1A60 1814 170
    1A62 2133 158

    Saturdays
    1B14 0453 (to Edinburgh) HST
    1A44 0600 HST
    1A46 0715 158
    1A48 0901 158
    1A50 1102 HST
    1A52 1244 158
    1A54 1428 170
    1A56 1527 158
    1A58 1713 HST
    1A60 1814 158
    1A62 2122 158

    Sundays
    1A48 0959 170
    1A52 1233 HST
    1A56 1529 170
    1A62 2103 170

    ABERDEEN-INVERNESS

    Mon-Fri
    1H23 0613 HST
    1H25 0715 (ex-Dundee) 158
    1H27 0822 170
    1H29 1013 158
    1H31 1159 158
    1H33 1338 HST
    1H35 1527 158
    1A69 1724 (ex-Glasgow) 170
    1H39 1822 158
    1H41 2014 158
    1H43 2200 HST

    Saturdays
    1H23 0613 HST
    1H25 0715 (ex-Montrose) 158
    1H27 0822 158
    1H29 1013 158
    1H31 1159 158
    1H33 1338 HST
    1H35 1527 158
    1H37 1724 170
    1H39 1822 158
    1H41 2014 158
    1H43 2200 HST

    Sundays
    1H27 1000 170
    1H31 1300 170
    1H35 1522 HST
    1H37 1801 HST
    1H39 2127 158


    Hopefully we will see if HSTs do operate all/most of these on a regular basis. I'll be impressed if they do!
     
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    So the 8.34 Edinburgh to Inverness and 12.48 return were a 170 today. Scotrails twitter team says there are no ficed diagrams and trains are allocated on a daily basis.
    Yesterday 12.39 Glasgow to Aberdeen was a HST as was 15.39 Glasgow to Aberdeen and return.
    Lots of spare HSTs sitting around , 1 at Perth, i saw 2 at Cowlairs., 2 visible passing Haymarket plus a solo pair of powercars back to back and some trailers by themselves. Also a 4-car set sitting in the depot at Inverness.
     
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  16. hexagon789

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    Well as I said take them with a pinch of salt.

    People have been asking about them, and while they are not official and quite possibly not accurate surely it was more helpful to post them and let people see them than to not do so?

    I did try and put a disclaimer in at the beginning on the point of accuracy.
     
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    Mate, that's a great piece of work. I wasn't being critical. I spent several hours trawling through RTT trying to put together a list of these myself. The timing load suggests that is what they sent to Network Rail and intended / intend to use on the diagram during the course of this next timetable period. But it seems that there are various issues in the background, and as a result of that - several sets are not in use that they planned to use.

    With the list to hand, it would be great if any forum members can update this thread with sightings so that we can identify which services are most likely to be the booked HST's and if there are those that tend to be substituted with 170's.
     
  18. JohnR

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    Timing Loads dont indicate any actual diagrammed stock.
     
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    we understand that. Hence why Class 802's and HST's were running to HST timing loads on the routes out of Paddington.
    Due to a shortage of rolling stock, Anglia timing loads for an electric loco hauling 350 tons can be run by a pair of class 321's. But if the 90's are avail;able, that is what gets used!
    On the East Coast, HST and Electric loco timing loads generally find an HST on a timing load that says HST, and a 91 or a 90 hauling mk4 stock where it is specified Electric loco hauling xxx tons. But a HST can substitute and vice versa if there is a shortage of rolling stock. But you won't find an HST on an edinburgh turn with an electric loco as the booked timing load if a Class 91 is available.
    So most of the time the timing loads are an indication of what stock the TOC intends to use. They are the ones that submit their timetable request to Network rail.
    You will find anything that has been planned in to be run by a DMU, comes up as 'sprinter' within the timing loads. And probably more guaranteed that the booked DMU will turn up as opposed to an HST!
     
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    No, I realised that I don't think I worded my reply too well in that respect sorry. I appreciate that there was a very high chance they weren't going to be quite right, it just that under the previous timetable the HST listed services matched up with the diagrams people put up last time even if they weren't always HST-operated in reality.

    I saw they'd been posting these up, and I'm sure it was said in this thread or the ScotRail HST intro one that HST services could be worked interchangeably by Classic or Refurb.
     
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    Yes, on Tuesday I was on the 12:39 Glasgow to Aberdeen, classic set. Inter7City Power cars finding themselves on classic sets too.
    Scot rail are only advertising the reformed sets for now, but from what i saw Tuesday and weds, most are on the Aberdeen Glasgow route.
     
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    Thank you, that is helpful.
     
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    ScotRail have said there are also 5 Classic sets out today in addition to the Inter7City ones.
     
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    I'm guessing the Scotrail HST diagrams have not been updated for the new timetable yet (not on the Frequently requested Diagrams list as far as I can see) - is this the case?

    Also - am I right to think the refurbished HST sets can end up on any of these diagrams and it's not really possible to know which services they are running on ahead of the day itself?

    Thanks
     
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    Any HST service can be operated by either an Inter7City refurbished set or a Classic set.

    And I've been told conflicting things. Someone said they had dedicated diagrams someone else said it was day-to-day.

    Perhaps a wee tweet to ScotRail on the day? They generally seem quite helpful with such queries.
     
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    Just like any other type of stock there are diagrams (in the HA9xx series) which are split into ‘classic’ and ‘refurbished’. However, again like any other type of stock, operational upsets on the day may force changes to the booked workings or step ups if needed.
     
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    Perhaps you would be kind enough to clarify something then?

    Are there, as with the December timetable, services which are booked HST and services booked 170 on the Inter7City routes, but with the HST services again being subject to possible 170-substitutions?

    Or is it simply any of the Inter7City services can now be operated by an HST if one is available?
     
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    Thanks Hex
     

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