Scotrail New and Refurbished Stock update

Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by Altnabreac, 21 Dec 2015.

  1. scotraildriver

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    156492 on the WHL today, the first fully refurbished unit on the route.
     
  2. TheAlbanach_

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    Will they cope on the WHL with the luggage racks removed? Or have the ones used on that line retained them?
     
  3. scotraildriver

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    The luggage racks haven't been removed. Why on earth would they be?
     
  4. TheAlbanach_

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    The ones I've been on have been, the seats are there without arm rests. There are racks at the bike bit there too, but surely that's not ideal when there are bikes on...
     
  5. scotraildriver

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    The ex SPT units don't have luggage racks at the inner ends of the coaches. The racks at the cycle area fold up if required for bikes.
     
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    Heard a new automated announcement (or an old one of many from those omitted after the NatEx days that's conjured itself up again) on 170419 today regarding ticket barriers at stations. Out of curiosity, does anyone know whether this been reinstated into the list of phrases that the PIS plays and displays, or is it a new addition completely? Never sounded like a new addition given the audible distinction new additions have in the system (take 'Edinburgh Gateway' for example).
     
  7. youngac

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    They recorded a new batch of announcements for the 385's PIS system so the phrase you heard might be a new one.
     
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    I initially thought that, but it never had the same quality nor tone as those on the 385s, which made me think it was from the portfolio of NatEx ScotRail ones that was discontinued.
     
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    Any pictures of the refurb 156?
     
  10. applepie2100

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    I had a journey on 156478 this morning and the thing that still stands out is the piss-poor quality the TrainFX PIS screens. The refresh rate on them is terrible and to me it feels like they're constantly flickering when they're scrolling. It's pretty obvious that the TrainFX system was chosen because it was cheap/nasty (take your pick) rather than picking a good quality solution.
     
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    The TrainFX system is terrible. About 75% of the refurbished 156 units have problems with it, where it wont make audible anouncements due to "software" issues. Some of them came delivered back from KBSpringburn like this. The whole quality control on the 156 refurb has been almost non existant!
     
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    I dont think there has been 2 done yet which are the same... even if some of it is silly things.
     
  13. GrimShady

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    Sounds like another total disaster.
     
  14. applepie2100

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    Is that not pretty normal for KBRS though? I’m sure I’ve read stories of things like paint overspray all over the place in and missing driving desk labels in cabs to name but a few things.
     
  15. GrimShady

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    I remember reading about all kinds of poor workmanship when they did the 158s last year.
     
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    Wonder what the root issue is? Poor training ?
     
  17. GrimShady

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    Piss poor management/oversight I would imagine, something that seems to effect most operations these days in a variety of industries.

    Some of the paneling in the 158 vestibule areas was a joke. I remember one example last year not long out the works leaking brown water badly near the drivers cab. Very shoddy!
     
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    I place some blame with the train owner or the operator. Whichever company has placed the order should do a detailed inspection before accepting the trains. It does not remove responsibility from the contractor to get it right, but customer inspection keeps them on their toes......
     
  19. InOban

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    Am I right that KBRS recently sold the works?
     
  20. route101

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    Got images of the local Neds on a work experience scheme ! I know its not the case !
     
  21. youngac

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    Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere but 321403 was moved to Kilmarnock for conversion recently.
     
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    Looks like 320401 was coming out of Wabtec Kilmarnock this morning, going to its new home Shields, but loco from Mossend hasnt left, so guessing not ready
     
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    320401 was released today - moved to Shields by 47812.
     
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    156458 was on a run from Oban this morning complete with full refurbishment including new seating. I really wouldn't fancy doing a run from either Oban or Fort William with those seats. I was only going from Dumbarton to Glasgow and couldn't wait to get off. Sitting in an isle seat and kept cracking my knee against the table leg which seems to be very badly placed just off the centre of the seat.

    I might have to get one last decent journey in on the WHL while I can if this is the future!
     
  25. youngac

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    I’m surprised the press haven’t made more fuss about the refurbished 156s on the WHL. They have a habit of sensationalising most things but I can understand the outrage with this issue.
     
  26. Journeyman

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    Much as I think the 156 is a perfectly functional and decent train, and I've had plenty of decent runs on the WHL with them, doing that on an ironing board is a prospect that fills me with horror.
     
  27. applepie2100

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    The best part of three hours on even the ScotRail “improved” version of the ironing board would not fill me with joy and good tidings!
     
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    321418 was taken to Kilmarnock yesterday for conversion into 320418.
     
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    Glasgow Works looking set for closure. Could have an impact on the ongoing refurbishment projects for ScotRail:
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/breaking-gemini-rail-services-plant-13724981
     
  30. mde

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    Sad to say it, but, it may have a positive effect - some of their work in recent times on the 156 fleet has been shocking.

    That said, it's always sad to see job cuts, and, this isn't the first time the 'works has been up for closure (before KBRS it was looking a bit uncertain when Railcare went bust). Hopefully the workers will find jobs at one of the other firms (e.g. Alstom, Brodies or Wabtec, or, Hitachi over at Craigentinny) if the closure is confirmed.

    There's a thread elsewhere discussing this in more detail.
     

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