Scotrail Turbostars moving to Southern

[Fincra5]

Out of curiosity, looking at RTT.. 5Z08 (the 170s) are overtaken near Reston by 1E11

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97355/2015/04/04/advanced (5Z08)
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62124/2015/04/04/advanced (1E11)

Where would this be done? Did one of the them use the reversible lines? Or is it more probable to be a data error?

 

[TheJRB]

Out of curiosity, looking at RTT.. 5Z08 (the 170s) are overtaken near Reston by 1E11

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97355/2015/04/04/advanced (5Z08)
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62124/2015/04/04/advanced (1E11)

Where would this be done? Did one of the them use the reversible lines? Or is it more probable to be a data error?

I'd imagine 5Z08 was held in Grantshouse Up Loop and that the time reported there was in fact the arrival time.

 

[fgwrich]

That looks outlandishly bizarre at Willesden Junction!

Won't be long before I have to update my DMU requirements list on my phone, which I'll be doing once they get converted to 171s. It'll be nice to see my count on 170s come down but not seeing my 171 count go up!

Definitely going to be on the Uckfield line a lot on my next DaySave then...

Seeing them at Willesden Junction isn't too bizarre - It could almost be somewhere on the Cathcart Circle or electrified suburban network of Glasgow... Unlike seeing them alongside the juice for example!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/papercliponawire/16846073678/in/photostream/lightbox/

Do we know if the work at Stewards Lane will be just a software update to Southern Spec and change of coupler, or whether they'll send them out in service in Ex ScotRail condition? If the latter is the case then I might have to take a trip to Uckfield.

Ps. I wonder if the PIS will speak in a Scottish Accent?

 

[edwin_m]

170s used to pass through Willesden Junction regularly on Anglia's rather short-lived Basingstoke services in the late 90s.

 

[SPADTrap]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/samcooper317340/16824585127/

Seeing them at Welwyn North is bizarre!

 

[D365]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/samcooper317340/16824585127/

Seeing them at Welwyn North is bizarre!

Note that we have seen 170s in service to Kings Cross - when Hull Trains was first launched.

http://www.youtu.be/JEZDXzPY9J4

 

[SPADTrap]

Note that we have seen 170s in service to Kings Cross - when Hull Trains was first launched.

http://www.youtu.be/JEZDXzPY9J4

Indeed, but these were ScotRail heading south ECS which I for one have never seen before!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Out of curiosity, looking at RTT.. 5Z08 (the 170s

I thought it was running as 5Z70?

 

[physics34]

Seeing them at Willesden Junction isn't too bizarre - It could almost be somewhere on the Cathcart Circle or electrified suburban network of Glasgow... Unlike seeing them alongside the juice for example!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/papercliponawire/16846073678/in/photostream/lightbox/

Do we know if the work at Stewards Lane will be just a software update to Southern Spec and change of coupler, or whether they'll send them out in service in Ex ScotRail condition? If the latter is the case then I might have to take a trip to Uckfield.

Ps. I wonder if the PIS will speak in a Scottish Accent?

with bagpipes lol.

They need some rewiring and will be split to make 2 and 4 cars. Id guess southern will paint/vinyl them rather than
running around in first colours! Also i assume southern sandpaper seatcovers will be needed to, lol. I assume they will become 171731, 171732, 171807 and 171808.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

A mate of mine has commented that yesterday's move was probably the most "papped" train in the country.

I think he's probably right; there were 30 - 40+ of us lot at Kenny O alone yesterday, all of whom vanished once the move had been through...

 

[Fincra5]

I thought it was running as 5Z70?

I have no idea tbh... I RTT said 580Z so I just took it to mean 5Z80

 

[MK Tom]

Sorry if it's already been discussed, but what numbers will these units receive when they become 171s? Will they remain 3-car too? Seeing as the existing 171s are 2/4 car.

 

[physics34]

Sorry if it's already been discussed, but what numbers will these units receive when they become 171s? Will they remain 3-car too? Seeing as the existing 171s are 2/4 car.

discussed 3 posts ago!

will be 2 and 4s. Can only guess on numbers at the mo.
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A mate of mine has commented that yesterday's move was probably the most "papped" train in the country.

I think he's probably right; there were 30 - 40+ of us lot at Kenny O alone yesterday, all of whom vanished once the move had been through...

pics going up thick and fast on flickr lol

 

[Kite159]

I'm surprised they came down on their own power rather than being sandwiched between a couple of 66s

 

[fgwrich]

I'm surprised they came down on their own power rather than being sandwiched between a couple of 66s

Why though? If they've got their own engines - 6 in fact, why would you need to send 1 or 2 locos up to Scotland to drag a pair of DMUs down south again? None of the FGW Class 142s ran up from Exeter to Springburn and back a few years ago with any assistance, and they have even less power than a 170.

 

[MCR247]

Surely you couldn't just have the loco + 170s?

 

[Fincra5]

Why though? If they've got their own engines - 6 in fact, why would you need to send 1 or 2 locos up to Scotland to drag a pair of DMUs down south again? None of the FGW Class 142s ran up from Exeter to Springburn and back a few years ago with any assistance, and they have even less power than a 170.

By the sounds of it the 6 car formation ran on only 3

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Surely you couldn't just have the loco + 170s?

I'd assume not. In the past when units have been dragged by loco(s) they've needed extra vehicles besides the barrier/translator in order to provide brake force, as the units are 'dead-in-train' so the brakes won't be active.

 

[Class377/5]

I'm surprised they came down on their own power rather than being sandwiched between a couple of 66s

That's the joy of being a DMU, you can go anywhere your cleared for.

 

[D6975]

Why though? If they've got their own engines - 6 in fact, why would you need to send 1 or 2 locos up to Scotland to drag a pair of DMUs down south again? None of the FGW Class 142s ran up from Exeter to Springburn and back a few years ago with any assistance, and they have even less power than a 170.

Convenience.
To move them under their own power requires 2 drivers, one for traction knowledge, one for route knowledge. Often it's simpler to drag them with one driver who knows the route and traction.

 

[edwin_m]

Aren't there enough 170s being moved around that there's a pool of drivers with traction knowledge who have widespread route knowledge as well?

Anyway, wouldn't hiring a second driver be cheaper than hiring a loco, along with at least one more driver to return it to its starting point? If there are translator vehicles involved then these would also need moving from and back to wherever they are stored.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Any news on the other 2 units?

 

[MCR247]

Convenience.

To move them under their own power requires 2 drivers, one for traction knowledge, one for route knowledge. Often it's simpler to drag them with one driver who knows the route and traction.

An extra driver is less convenient than hiring a loco, translators and barriers?

 

[Fincra5]

Convenience.
To move them under their own power requires 2 drivers, one for traction knowledge, one for route knowledge. Often it's simpler to drag them with one driver who knows the route and traction.

Well freight drivers can be taught the traction quite easily.. like they did with the 350's when LM loaned a few to SN.

 

[D365]

Well freight drivers can be taught the traction quite easily.. like they did with the 350's when LM loaned a few to SN.

This isn't a stock loan where they're planning regular swaps, it's a one-off movement.

 

[Fincra5]

This isn't a stock loan where they're planning regular swaps, it's a one-off movement.

Doesn't mean they can't be trained up however. What a conversion course? A week? I can't remember tbh.

 

[Southern Dvr]

But, and I feel we've already asked this, WHY?

The units have come South, on their own power and have not cost the inconvenience of barrier vehicles or return paths etc..

Who crewed the moves anyway?

 

[Class377/5]

Don't make the mistake of assuming there isn't drivers who sign the stock and route.

 

[SPADTrap]

Who crewed the moves anyway?

GBRf possibly? They often do moves like this

 

[158722]

GBRf possibly? They often do moves like this

DCR did at least some part of the move, not sure if all of it was them. Presumably there is no issue with more than one company being involved if one operator can't supply the right mix of traction/route knowledge?