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Substation arrives for Shotts Line electrification.
https://twitter.com/shottslineelec/status/1002578288206909440?s=21
https://twitter.com/shottslineelec/status/1002578288206909440?s=21
Assuming that these diversions are only occasionally used, how do the drivers maintain their route knowledge? Do they shadow Scotrail drivers on local services over these lines?VTWC Polmadie drivers sign all the recognised diversions except the R&C (that’s, Shields Jn/Larkfield, Cathcart Circle, Hamilton Circle, Holytown via both Bellshill and Braidhurst, Wishaw Connecting line and some know the G&SW. VTWC Edinburgh drivers sign the above and the R&C, Cumbernauld and E&G. VTWC Preston drivers don’t sign any diversionary routes in Scotland.
Assuming that these diversions are only occasionally used, how do the drivers maintain their route knowledge? Do they shadow Scotrail drivers on local services over these lines?
Appears that it is still: 5M52 0623 Polmadie Car M.D. to EdinburghNot sure if it’s still the case in the new timetable....
The Scottish Government are due to table their transport bill in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully that will bring some clarity regarding the rolling programmme of electrification.
Thanks for the info. I wasn't expecting anything particularly detailed to be announced, more an indication as to whether the rolling programme would continue. Stirling, Dunblane, Alloa and Shotts seem to be at an advanced stage with nothing thereafter. Contractors must be getting nervous!I don’t think it will. It’s more about powers than what they intend to build.
Having the HSTs probably puts Aberdeen/Inverness off the table for a while even if they weren't such a huge commitment. I would have thought logically you'd go South Sub, then East Kilbride, then Fife Coast to Dundee, then Dunfermline (possibly the Fife Circle before Dundee). Resignalling and civils seem more urgent on the lines to Perth and HML at least. I do agree that without announcements forthcoming soon the rolling programme will look like it's rolling to a halt.They originally spoke about electrifying to Aberdeen in stages, then Inverness again in stages. And have repeatedly spoken about commitment to a rolling programme so hopefully this will come out. Although with regards to Aberdeen, I would be happy to see them use batteries to bridge the Forth and not go to the extreme complication of electrifying that structure.
Having the HSTs probably puts Aberdeen/Inverness off the table for a while even if they weren't such a huge commitment. I would have thought logically you'd go South Sub, then East Kilbride, then Fife Coast to Dundee, then Dunfermline (possibly the Fife Circle before Dundee). Resignalling and civils seem more urgent on the lines to Perth and HML at least. I do agree that without announcements forthcoming soon the rolling programme will look like it's rolling to a halt.
I think that’s relatively small commuter numbers compared to the remaining unelectrified Glasgow suburban network. How it scores from an operational point of view I don’t know but I wouldn’t think it would be high.Surely Stirling to Dundee would be fairly high priority?
My thinking on doing the Fife coast to Dundee was that you get most of the Fife circle done for the price, whereas Stirling to Dundee is a relatively long stretch with comparatively fewer trains, most of which will be HSTs for the next few years. All of those assumptions could be completely wrong... I also didn't mention the Borders because the traffic isn't immense, though it's a bit on the hilly side so there could be benefits there.Surely Stirling to Dundee would be fairly high priority?
I'd personally probably benefit more from Leeds-York than anything that's left in Scotland, but I'm sure the DfT would find some way to make the teams not work out down there.Or the teams can move to England and do some better electrification there
The problem is Fife is hard: the Forth Bridge is hard, most of the tunnels are hard (from North Queensferry to Inverkeithing, those either side of Burntisland and Kinghorn)… As such, basically all the proposals show Dundee getting electrified from the west first, especially in combination with new stopping services through Dundee.My thinking on doing the Fife coast to Dundee was that you get most of the Fife circle done for the price, whereas Stirling to Dundee is a relatively long stretch with comparatively fewer trains, most of which will be HSTs for the next few years. All of those assumptions could be completely wrong... I also didn't mention the Borders because the traffic isn't immense, though it's a bit on the hilly side so there could be benefits there.
Maryhill EK and barrhead/Kilmarnock are the Glasgow suburbans left without wires.My thinking on doing the Fife coast to Dundee was that you get most of the Fife circle done for the price, whereas Stirling to Dundee is a relatively long stretch with comparatively fewer trains, most of which will be HSTs for the next few years. All of those assumptions could be completely wrong... I also didn't mention the Borders because the traffic isn't immense, though it's a bit on the hilly side so there could be benefits there.
Apart from EK and more marginally Maryhill what's left to do on the Glasgow suburbans? I can't honestly remember if Wemyss Bay etc are done or not.
My thinking on doing the Fife coast to Dundee was that you get most of the Fife circle done for the price, whereas Stirling to Dundee is a relatively long stretch with comparatively fewer trains, most of which will be HSTs for the next few years. All of those assumptions could be completely wrong... I also didn't mention the Borders because the traffic isn't immense, though it's a bit on the hilly side so there could be benefits there.
Apart from EK and more marginally Maryhill what's left to do on the Glasgow suburbans? I can't honestly remember if Wemyss Bay etc are done or not.
This. Myself, like other people on this forum that are very interested and keen on electrification, have looked to Scotland for the glimmer of light in the current darkness with what seems to now be a well managed team going on about their business. If that was to end it would be a great shame with the only new schemes on horizon being new wales franchise.Imperative the rolling programme continues to roll otherwise the expertise will be lost. That would be a travesty.
My thinking on doing the Fife coast to Dundee was that you get most of the Fife circle done for the price, whereas Stirling to Dundee is a relatively long stretch with comparatively fewer trains, most of which will be HSTs for the next few years. All of those assumptions could be completely wrong... I also didn't mention the Borders because the traffic isn't immense, though it's a bit on the hilly side so there could be benefits there.
Apart from EK and more marginally Maryhill what's left to do on the Glasgow suburbans? I can't honestly remember if Wemyss Bay etc are done or not.
The majority of Annieslands are 156s, a mixture of Westies and non-Westies.To the best of my knowledge, the Maryhill route is worked with 158s, not with WHL 156s, which do however have 'turns' out towards Stirling.