SNCF Loco hauled

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  1. anme

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  2. Gordon

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    Technical note: you should not truly refer to the remaining '67' diesels as '67000'.

    In SNCF parlance, 67000, 67200, 67300 and 67400 are different classes. What you saw (in all cases I assume) were class 67400. The last unrebuilt original BB67000 class (introduced 1963) were withdrawn from freight service in the south of France in 2004. Since then the operable locos have been either the 67200 class (rebuilt from 67000 for LGV rescue and freight work), 67300 class (original 1967 variant, used on pax and freight), and 67400 class (also used on pax and freight).

    The remaining '67' classes are descendants of the original BB67000 class first introduced in 1963. 67400 introduced 1969 were revised version of the same basic body shape with different bogies and other design differences (and ETH).

    Having said all the above this remains a complex area (typical SNCF in other words) as some SNCF loco classes with clear physical differences are not split into separate classes, but referred to as the same class (for example, the BB25500 class, which has/had short and long cab variants but all of which were usually referred to as a single class - BB25500)




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  3. nom de guerre

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    Alas the remaining diagrams ended at the recent timetable change :(
     
  4. Gordon

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    But 67573 (I have the N gauge model of same by Minitrix!) worked vice a unit a couple of days ago, so as usual the end has not been the end.


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  5. Gordon

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    Bordeaux - Nantes / Ussel / Limoges just announced as another take over from SNCF by the region (Nouvelle Aquitaine). New trains planned by 2018 (as per press release)


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  6. nom de guerre

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    Yes, I saw that too ;)

    Will be interesting to see how often vices occur...
     
  7. DaiGog

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    Thanks for that, Gordon. So just to be sure, if I cover the Saturday IC from Bordeaux (0910-ish) to Ussel this year it should still be 67400-hauled?
     
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  8. Gordon

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    Looks like it.

    The suggestion is that corails will survive until the new stock arrives in 2018, however 'usual disclaimers apply' because this is French railways, and there is always a chance that some sort of cascade takes place of units made available elsewhere in France you never know...


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  9. MarcVD

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    Just did Amiens-Etaples yesterday afternoon. BB67400+9 corail coaches. Traction exchange in Amiens. Photographies taken of the whole action. I will try to post them here once I'm back home.

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  10. DaiGog

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    Sounds fairly safe then. Intended visit is the end of April, so looks worth a go. Thanks again.
     
  11. Castle Cary

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    just catching up - belatedly - on this thread. Mention was made of Paris - Cherbourg which services sports a selection of power units. However, contracts have now been exchanged for the Region to acquire double deck units to replace the loco hauled stock, so time is running out.
     
  12. Gordon

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    I think, essentially, time is now running out on everything.

    There seem to be very few routes now where some sort of plan has not been made for new EMUs.

    All very boring...

    The notion from now on would seem to be go to any route that you like the look of which still has traditional loco hauled trains and see them sooner rather than later.



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  13. Gordon

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    Sooner the better I'd say, and April seems 'sooner' enough



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  14. DaiGog

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    One last question from me if I may - are the 67400-hauled services out of Clermont-Ferrand still likely to be hauled in April 2017, and are they peak hours only Mon to Fri?

    OK, it was two questions....... :)
     
  15. Gordon

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    I would say yes and yes.

    Clermont has been cited as the possible last bastion of commuter 67400s, partly because Nevers depot has always been a depot where traction goes to eek out its last years (eg with 141R steam in the early 1970s and the X3800 Picasso in the late 1980s)

    Weekdays away from holiday periods has always been the best bet for commuter workings on SNCF. Going way back several decades, I used to ensure that I went on a weekday when you might get, say a BB13000 monocabine on green stock in Lorraine... The same train at weekends or around holiday times would either not run or be operated by a unit or at best a more modern loco.



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    Cheers Gordon.
     
  17. Please Explain

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    There were still plenty of hauled turns when I was there in November. I stayed in "Grand Hotel de Midi", right next to the station on Soviet Union Street! V nice and v reasonable too.
    I just showed up in the afternoon (as advised by our resident SNCF guru here - monsieur Gordon!), after I woke up after a night of sampling the local bevy and found a BB67400 and ab RRR waiting for me on a local job to Vic Le Comte about 13:00ish and bashed that up there and back before scoring another to Gannat and then doing another to Moulins Sur Allier and back to Clermont.
    Auvergne is a beautiful region. Was great to explore the villages between turns and get down with the locals at le tebac!

    I heartily recommend a visit to Clermont and the local environs and make the most of the haulage while you can as Gordon said.

    Be sure to check out le 1513 in le Centre Ville in Clermont.
    Le best crepes in France! :D

    Enjoy!
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    Merci beaucoup monsieur mugridge!

    I will be sure to give that plan a try towards the end of the month or February if possible!
    Only an ES away -(or maybe ill try and and to London - Paris the traditional route through Douvres - Calais again!), -no five zone ticket required for the ATOC / RDG / GTR slaves amongst us! FIP is a godsend!! :D
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    Oh et bonne année

    et viva de France et l'Écosse de l'Édimbourg! :D
     
  18. DaiGog

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    Thanks again gents.

    Anywhere in particular you would recommend for that?
     
  19. Please Explain

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    Le 1513 is a must not only for the crepes but they have some nice beers too, Wally Field Corner -Irish bar in le Centre Ville was also good fun :D
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    Gordon, you wouldn't happen to know the latest on the new units for line 4 would you?

    As I didn't manage to get in a last ride behind a CC 72100 in November on the Belfort I am now looking to get back over some time next month.
    Do you think they'll still be running then or has the Régiolis onslaught already begun?!

    And while I'm at it, do we have a final date for BB 67400's on the Boulogne's??

    Thanks as always.
     
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  20. Gordon

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    Line 4 Two trains each way plastic from early February - snore

    Will be a sad day when it all goes plastic. In recent years there has been nothing quite like a full Paris - Belfort journey in acknowledged comfortable Corail stock behind a big diesel for 4+ hours.
    I will never forget my even better full length trips back from annual Easter Swiss skiing trips 6 - 7 years ago when on two occasions we travelled 5+ hours Mulhouse - Paris throughout

    Boulogne should last a while longer (maybe...), the difference being (I think) that the Paris - Amiens leg is tied in with other Paris Nord electric loco and hauled stock diagramming, so whilst there are 22200 + hauled Corail running to other places (eg Maubeuge) they may as well include the Amiens leg in that - even though thta means a loco change at Amiens. The odd thing is that Regiolis had already 'taken over' but were then taken off the route again.



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