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  1. Please Explain

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    Thanks for that.

    Yes, it will be sad.. I can see myself setting my sights on Eastern / Central Europe for bashing in the years to come when all the proper stuff in the West is finally gone.

    C'est la vie... :(

    Good memories, they must have continued past Mulhouse too all the way to Bâle (SNCF) too at some point not so long ago before the LGV opened?
     
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    Thanks for that, will see if we can get a visit to le 1513 in!

    A set of diagrams for the CC72100s has appeared in the files section on the Yahoo ERG group, valid until Feb 5th. Looks largely unchanged from 2016 but I suspect the date ties in with the new plastic.
     
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    Coming to this thread quite late, but I haven't yet spotted any mention of the Alsace TER200 (Strasbourg - Mulhouse - Bâle), which are all BB26000 hauled Corail (lightly refurbished but basically the original interiors, with ridiculously comfy bench seats).

    Had a great day on those in the summer with an ALSA rover.
     
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    They are superb. The still fabulous ride of the Corail - but with velour type cloth seat covers rather than the original leatherette.

    The TER200 trains prove that you do not need plastic EMUs to give a good fast frequent service to the public...

    Ridiculous to think that the legendary superb quality of the ride (due to the bogie and associated suspension design) stems from the use of the type of bogie first developed for the X3800 Picasso railcars in 1949



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    I was pleased to discover some of them are still compartment seconds too!
     
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    With 8 seats in each, they are not very comfortable when full...

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    I mentioned them up thread! :)

    Yes, the are very enjoyable cars to travel in. Especially in the voiture-pilote with the compartments as mentioned by Marc. Just a pity the doors have been removed, enjoyed one to myself from Strasbourg to Bâle in November.
    Still, the NMBS/SNCB I6's were nicer on le EC Iris / Vauban, but the TER200's are probably the best trains left on the route now.
     
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    Today, 6th February 2016, the change on the old 'ligne 4' officially begun :(

     
  9. Polarbear

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    For anyone wanting to have a spin around France on loco-hauled IC services - this marks the beginning of the end so if you get the chance, go.

    I liked this quote from the SNCF enthusiasts Society webpage;

    It doesn't shout "quality" does it?
     
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    They are also staggeringly ugly compared to previous SNCF regional DMUs.
     
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    It all boils down to preference - I am quite enthousiast about the look of the Coradia Polyvalent and Coradia Liner range!
     
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    They're a bit FLIRT-esque in concept, but the front end does look odd but still distinctly French. Not, of course, as pig-ugly as anything the Dutch have designed.
     
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    Give me a CC72100 et Corails any day over one of those plastic things!

    I believe IC 1542 (08:20 Belfort - Paris Est) is still hauled on Saturdays? -Gordon?! :D
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Merci! :D
     
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    Does anyone happen to know whether the Cevernol (Clermont Ferrand - Nimes), will have a loco-hauled diagram this year?

    I'd guess this will be the last year (if that hasn't already happened) for loco & stock on that route, given the increasing pace of running down such services in France generally.

    Any information most appreciated. :D
     
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    The Cévenol is being transferred to the Occitanie region, new rolling stock (Coradia) will be introduced in september 2018.
     
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    Thanks. On that basis, I'd assume that the current set up should stay in place until the new trains turn up.
     
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    I believe the current set up is units. It was when I was there in November. Plenty of other BB67400 et RRR out of Clermont on local stuff though.
     
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    It is units for the most part. I understand that last summer, one return diagram was operated with a loco & stock during the school holidays & was wondering if anyone had any idea whether a repeat was on the cards for this year?

    Also, SNCF also operate a steam hauled service on the mid section of the line during certain Wednesdays during July & August.
     
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    Was it really SNCF ? Their only remaining steam loco has been unavailable for years now...

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    I think the Wednesdays service is the Train Touristique des Gorges de l'Allier. It was originally a purely SNCF promotion, but it now seems to be run by the 141R420 group, with cooperation from SNCF but the trains (at least for 2017) are diesel not steam hauled.

    In the early days the service was X2800 railcar (in the latter days of their use on SNCF) and /or 66400 or 67400 + RRR .




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    Thanks for the information. I did stumble across a website (largely in French) about the service referred to above-I'll post a link when I'm back at my computer.

    Link duly posted;

    https://www.ligne-des-cevennes.com/train-touristique-gorges-de-l-allier/
     
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    This is not to be confused with the Train a Vapeur des Cevennes which is a preserved railway in the UK sense and runs on different line in the Cevennes mountains.


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    Anything loco hauled still at Metz or Thionville?
     
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    I don't think so


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    I think there are a few TER 200 moves extended to the north of Strasbourg. That would be corail+sybic.

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    Sadly not now since last summer with the deletion of the Intercités de Nuit to/from Nice: ICN 4751/4882 and ICN 4251/4351 to/from Cerbère/Portbou. However, according to rail.cc the Train de Nuit from Paris is being reinstated to run weekends only to/from Cerbère only from June 09 due to local protests, better than nothing though I suppose..
    See: https://rail.cc/fr/night-train-paris-cerbere-returns/n25

    And of course the other locomotive hauled trains in area were le EC Iris et Vauban as well as a daily out and back Bâle - Luxembourg TER200 which was a partial replacement for the EC 296 "Jean Monnet" that also used to run: Brussel-Luxembourg-Metz-Strasbourg-Bâle until 2011 I believe.
    All other TER200's that ran north of Strasbourg were also cut back at the same time last April, AFAIK a few also extended to Metz/Nancy. Why both these and the through Bâle-Luxembourg train were cut back to terminate at Strasbourg, I have no idea??
    I think this, along with the deletion of the two aforementioned EuroCity connections has been an extremely shortsighted decision by the SNCF as it has resulted in there now being only one direct connection (a réservation obligatoire TGV) in each direction per day between Strasbourg and Luxembourg and none at all anymore from Bâle. I know that the out and back TGV to/from Brussel via the LGV and Roissy Aeroport is the direct replacement for the EC's for through Brussel-Bâle pax with just one change to a TER200 at Strasbourg now, but what about Luxembourg? Why did the Bâle-Luxembourg TER200 also have to be cut back to Strasbourg? I know people in Luxembourg who used this and the two EC's through to Bâle regularly have not taken kindly to these changes.
    However, I believe one daily out and back TER200 diagram from Bâle-Nancy has now recently been reinstated.

    From what I heard last year, the SNCB/NMBS and CFL were willing to keep the two EuroCity connections going but it was SNCF and SBB-CFF-FFS that had lost all interest as they seen these trains as an inconvenience, so pulled the plug as soon as the new LGV was operational and the last trains ran on Saturday, April 02 last year... :(

    Sybic 166 making some noise, complete with flares, SNCB resto and SBB panoramic wagens with the last EC 91 Vauban (07h33 Brussel Zuid-Bâle SNCF) @ Gare de Mulhouse Ville:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dHnpwjp1Y0Y

    The last shunt and preping for the return last EC 96 Iris @ Bâle (SNCF), a nice touch with the head message on the Sybic too. (complete with the SBB koupler's talking Baseldytsch! :lol: ):
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ftn8KB8omwE

    And finally a fitting send off with a hat off from le Chef de Service, the Sybic blasting it's horn while the church bells ring out as BB26166 heads back north to Luxembourg @ Mulhouse Ville with the last ever EC 96 Iris (16h21 Bâle SNCF-Brussel Zuid) :( :
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9L9_RYkQY

    All credits to Monsieur Henry Daniel! :)
     
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    I suspect SBB's issue was with the number of times the trains were late into Basel from France. They used to fit into the IR regular interval service through to Zürich, so every time they were late SBB had to kick out an "ersatzzug" to maintain the timetable.
     
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    Very enjoyable clips, thanks for linking to those!
     

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