Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[Class377/5]

GN to Peterborough is already cleared folks. In fact as I understand it, its not a guaging issue at all.

 

[physics34]

Its the 700 construction thread. Posts about pointless varations in shades (where lighting may be affecting) of other units should be done in other threads.

If this thread is going to desend in livery shades then I'm off.

I count what they are newly painted in from new is basically part of their "construction"......

BYE!
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Does it really matter what livery the 700s have as long as they carry passengers from A to B as safely as possible?

You could give it a bright pink livery for all I care, the only thing that should matter is ensuring the testing is successful over here and it has a successful launch next year.

Besides there are more important things to worry about such as infrastructure improvements north of Royston and St Neots on the GN to enable the 700s to be used on the GN then some livery.

Gosh didnt realise this forum had become so regimented. Maybe strict rules about what should and shouldnt be posted should be shown at the beginning of the thread.

It matters to me, as its a question of marketing or a product... i.e. rail travel. Companies spend millions on logos, liveries and motifs......... if they ever did paint trains pink then the media may have a field day.

 

[A-driver]

GN to Peterborough is already cleared folks. In fact as I understand it, its not a guaging issue at all.

Not according to senior GN ops management it isn't. The fixed shoe gear will cause the same issues that it causes the current 313s.

 

[Class377/5]

Not according to senior GN ops management it isn't. The fixed shoe gear will cause the same issues that it causes the current 313s.

Infrastructure changes are done. Only high ballast remans an issue. Whether its signed off for the ops people to know is a different matter.

Peterbrough route was never the issue.

 

[Aictos]

Gosh didnt realise this forum had become so regimented. Maybe strict rules about what should and shouldnt be posted should be shown at the beginning of the thread.

It matters to me, as its a question of marketing or a product... i.e. rail travel. Companies spend millions on logos, liveries and motifs......... if they ever did paint trains pink then the media may have a field day.

Not really, it's just this forum is and can be so petty at times over trivial stuff like the livery amongst other that issues that are more important ought to be considered more.

For example, I consider it more important to have a successful launch in passenger service of the new trains then worry about the livery which to me is exactly the same as already been revealed on the 319s, 365s.

Yes I understand the need for a smart livery and not have a train formed of various liveries ie as Virgin Trains East Coast currently do but the livery is complete and there is nothing wrong with the livery on the 700s.

Infrastructure changes are done. Only high ballast remans an issue. Whether its signed off for the ops people to know is a different matter.

Peterbrough route was never the issue.

I thought there was a issue with the bridges at Huntingdon which is why 313s never went north of St Neots, that and high ballast.

What can NR do to resolve the high ballast issue here?

 

[A-driver]

Infrastructure changes are done. Only high ballast remans an issue. Whether its signed off for the ops people to know is a different matter.



Peterbrough route was never the issue.

Well if the senior ops people don't know about it then you certainly won't! The works at Huntingdon are yet to be finished.

 

[D365]

Well if the senior ops people don't know about it then you certainly won't! The works at Huntingdon are yet to be finished.

If it's the Port Holme/Great Ouse bridges which are the problem, the only vehicular access to the line and embankment south of Huntingdon is through Bromholme Lane. If there's going to be a significant amount of construction works I sure would have heard about it locally.

 

[Class377/5]

Well if the senior ops people don't know about it then you certainly won't! The works at Huntingdon are yet to be finished.

Thats quite a presumation your making there.

 

[Aictos]

Well with regards to the 700s running on the GN which I'm sure they will do before 2018 just not though the Core, I be surprised if they start in 2016.

Personally as I might well be wrong but as a safe bet I say the cascade of 365s/321/317s due to the introduction of the 700s on the GN won't start until 2017 at the earliest due to various issues.

I like to be proven wrong though

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Certainly there will be some "test" 700's knocking around the GN - service trains is another issue altogether !

 

[petersi]

From a website maintained by a poster here and it was put up a long time ago the plains for GN route 700 was first quarter 2017.

I know plans have changed since then.

 

[Aictos]

Certainly there will be some "test" 700's knocking around the GN - service trains is another issue altogether !

Indeed, I know one route on the GN which will see every single Class 700 pass though so you're quite right there

 

[A-driver]

Thats quite a presumation your making there.

Ah, didn't realise that you outrank director level! Not everything you see in your job is set in concrete yet as you seem to often think it is.

 

[Class377/5]

Ah, didn't realise that you outrank director level! Not everything you see in your job is set in concrete yet as you seem to often think it is.

I never said I was. Being told its already cleared its as good as it gets. But hey if you know better, feel free to inform others on the thread as you see fit, the same as I will. Meanwhile those with actual dates of events continue on getting everything sorted in the knowledge dates do and have changed.

 

[RobShipway]

I am the first to admit that I do not work within the rail industry, I work within the computer software industry. But like the rail industry, in the computer software industry things do not always work as they should first time and yes in introducing things there maybe hurdles to get over such as Infrastructure changes that need to occur, which also happens quite often within the software industry.

What is not needed is bickering between people whether in computer software industry or the rail industry as to who knows what, who should be saying what or who should know more than the senior ops or director.

My point is that this should be a forum of information for those both inside and outside the rail industry, with interests in it to come together to discuss issues not bicker about those issues. Be happy folks......

 

[Peter Sarf]

I am the first to admit that I do not work within the rail industry, I work within the computer software industry. But like the rail industry, in the computer software industry things do not always work as they should first time and yes in introducing things there maybe hurdles to get over such as Infrastructure changes that need to occur, which also happens quite often within the software industry.

What is not needed is bickering between people whether in computer software industry or the rail industry as to who knows what, who should be saying what or who should know more than the senior ops or director.

My point is that this should be a forum of information for those both inside and outside the rail industry, with interests in it to come together to discuss issues not bicker about those issues. Be happy folks......

Well said. It does not need to be a game of Poker with each side fronting the other out. Most unbecoming of us professionals and non-professionals. Cooperation is better for the whole.

 

[4-COR 3142]

Are we any closer to knowing when 700 106 will start running? or indeed if another one is due in the UK beforehand?

 

[samuelmorris]

Revenue service is meant to be February isn't it?

 

[Class377/5]

Are we any closer to knowing when 700 106 will start running? or indeed if another one is due in the UK beforehand?

Latter is true.

Revenue service is meant to be February isn't it?

Was hoped for date. Things have changed.

 

[jon0844]

Was hoped for date. Things have changed.

Sooner or later?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will the next one to arrive in the UK be running on its own power all the way (except within the tunnel) or will it be towed all the way?

 

[jopsuk]

Almost certainly towed all the way. Much easier: don't have to get it certified for operation in every country it needs to pass through, don't have to fit all the signalling interface equipment and, most crucially, much of the way if electrified will not be electrified at 25kV AC!

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Almost certainly towed all the way. Much easier: don't have to get it certified for operation in every country it needs to pass through, don't have to fit all the signalling interface equipment and, most crucially, much of the way if electrified will not be electrified at 25kV AC!

Would it be allowed to run on it's own power in 3rd rail mode once in the UK or will they tow it within the UK as well?

 

[jopsuk]

tow it, as otherwise they would need to train the delivery drivers (with the route knowledge) to drive the units.

Also, they may, like the first unit, be split in sections during delivery

 

[absolutelymilk]

Sooner or later?

I'm not a betting man, but if I was...

 

[Class377/5]

Sooner or later?

Within the planned window of introduction.

Will the next one to arrive in the UK be running on its own power all the way (except within the tunnel) or will it be towed all the way?

Towed, they all will be.

tow it, as otherwise they would need to train the delivery drivers (with the route knowledge) to drive the units.

Also, they may, like the first unit, be split in sections during delivery

First few are to be spilt up for delivery.

 

[BingBong50]

Who do the wagons used to split up the units and top and tail belong to? Are they sent out from the UK to the factory to enable the delivery or vv?

 

[387star]

Is bedford train care depot being downgraded at all when the 700 depots are fully operational likewise brighton?

 

[swt_passenger]

Will the next one to arrive in the UK be running on its own power all the way (except within the tunnel) or will it be towed all the way?

You already asked this back in July:
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2251095&postcount=1295

Nothing has changed. Every Desiro UK so far has been hauled throughout on its delivery to the UK.

 

[Blamethrower]

Is bedford train care depot being downgraded at all when the 700 depots are fully operational likewise brighton?

I'd be interested to know that too