Transpennine Express decide not to use MK3's on limited services

[bnsf734]

I saw the stock today in the Arriva Traincare depot at Crewe. It is currently in 2 separate sections.

 

[BMIFlyer]

I've just noticed these little beasties in for TPE at the end of the month, I wonder if they could have something to do with it, with stops possibly to check platforms?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N11554/2018/01/30/advanced

Class 185 test trains. They have run before. Used to test new on board equipment that is tied in to the GPS and new track beacons.

 

[Ianigsy]

I think with that you'd kill much of the market for rail travel to the airport, the average person who's travelling once or twice a year really wouldn't want to change at all if possible, they've likely already got enough problems on their mine when going away. I know people going from Dewsbury don't want to change at Huddersfield to get an airport service, and that's normally same platform, they'd rather get a taxi to Huddersfield.

I doubt there's a taxi firm in West Yorkshire who won't quote you for a Manchester Airport drop off and pick up on return. Even at £100+ it bears comparison with rail for a door to door service if you're taking a family to Florida.

 

[BeHereNow]

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[gimmea50anyday]

Class 185 test trains. They have run before. Used to test new on board equipment that is tied in to the GPS and new track beacons.

let's hope it works. Can see Yarm being entertaining on a Saturday night if it doesnt....

 

[BMIFlyer]

Just to update:

The Mark 3 coaches should enter passenger service in late May, running Monday to Friday only between Scarborough and Liverpool.

On the off chance that you see them on that route before then, they will be crew training runs and NOT for passengers.

Trains will be top and tailed with 4 coaches on each train.

 

[Allwinter_Kit]

I know it is for so many, many reasons, but 4 carriages is a bit of a shame - would be great if they were full length "proper" trains as "capacity boosters" for the core.

That said, 4 Mk3s still (I imagine!) take more than a 185...

 

[Muzer]

Monday to Friday only

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[61653 HTAFC]

After the timetable change... so no Dewsbury calls I presume?

 

[BMIFlyer]

After the timetable change... so no Dewsbury calls I presume?

Correct.

 

[Viscount702]

Once the two Mark 3 set are out and about where will they be stabled overnight.

 

[Alan2603]

Will one (or part of one) of the carriages be First Class? Will the catering provision be the same?

Many thanks.

 

[driver9000]

I know it is for so many, many reasons, but 4 carriages is a bit of a shame - would be great if they were full length "proper" trains as "capacity boosters" for the core.

That said, 4 Mk3s still (I imagine!) take more than a 185...

2+4 simulates the length of a mk5A rake plus 2 coaches will be left at Crewe for static training.

 

[Iskra]

I know it is for so many, many reasons, but 4 carriages is a bit of a shame - would be great if they were full length "proper" trains as "capacity boosters" for the core.

That said, 4 Mk3s still (I imagine!) take more than a 185...

Remember as well as the immediate capacity increase, it will free up 2x185's to strengthen other services. So 4 diagrams in total could be strengthened, which could provide a significant increase.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Just to update:

The Mark 3 coaches should enter passenger service in late May, running Monday to Friday only between Scarborough and Liverpool.

On the off chance that you see them on that route before then, they will be crew training runs and NOT for passengers.

Trains will be top and tailed with 4 coaches on each train.

If that is true I hope someone has told Tony Miles who was happily being quite aggressive with people on facebook accusing them of 'wibble' when one person suggested that they were using them as there is no other diesel stock available.

 

[BMIFlyer]

If that is true I hope someone has told Tony Miles who was happily being quite aggressive with people on facebook accusing them of 'wibble' when one person suggested that they were using them as there is no other diesel stock available.

I’ve seen both of the proposed class 68 diagrams that commence in May so I can assure everyone that they are going to happen.

 

[darylyates17]

Just to update:

The Mark 3 coaches should enter passenger service in late May, running Monday to Friday only between Scarborough and Liverpool.

On the off chance that you see them on that route before then, they will be crew training runs and NOT for passengers.

Trains will be top and tailed with 4 coaches on each train.

Are the Scarborough services gonna stop at St Helens or is it the Newcastles as I hope the 68s will I cant wait to hear them thrash past my house

 

[BMIFlyer]

Once the two Mark 3 set are out and about where will they be stabled overnight.

Crewe

Are the Scarborough services gonna stop at St Helens or is it the Newcastles as I hope the 68s will I cant wait to hear them thrash past my house

TPE won’t stop at SHJ.

It’s either Lea Green or Newton LW from May depending on the destination of the train.

 

[sprinterguy]

That said, 4 Mk3s still (I imagine!) take more than a 185...

18 or 24 first class and approx. 216 standard class seats on a mark 3 rake (Assuming that the RFMs provide the first class accommodation, and I assume that one rake will have to use a declassified first class vehicle as standard accommodation?), versus 15 first and 154 standard (plus 12 tip-up) on a class 185.

 

[D6975]

Are the Scarborough services gonna stop at St Helens or is it the Newcastles as I hope the 68s will I cant wait to hear them thrash past my house

At the moment the Scarboroughs are pencilled in to stop at Lea Green after the timetable change.

 

[darylyates17]

At the moment the Scarboroughs are pencilled in to stop at Lea Green after the timetable change.

Lea Green will do thats another local station of mine just need to remember to go there instead of Junction for the fast TPE services I heard they were on about stopping there instead of Junction didn't think they actually would though

 

[CosherB]

I’ve seen both of the proposed class 68 diagrams that commence in May so I can assure everyone that they are going to happen.

Mk3s to keep the VTWC livery?

 

[greyman42]

Crewe




TPE won’t stop at SHJ.

It’s either Lea Green or Newton LW from May depending on the destination of the train.

What is the thinking in TPE using Newton and Lea Green? Are they areas of expanding populations or business?

 

[notlob.divad]

What is the thinking in TPE using Newton and Lea Green? Are they areas of expanding populations or business?

TPE calls at Newton and originally St Helens Junction where to replace the calls by the northern semi-fast Liverpool <=> Manchester Airport.

In consultation with Merseytravel and St. Helens Council TPE have agreed to switch the Junction call to Lea Green, due to the better availability of parking, road access and public transport potential at Lea Green station.

The downside to this is the inadequacy of the waiting facilities at Lea Green which I hope will be rectified in the future.

 

[cj_1985]

Mk3s to keep the VTWC livery?

Not seen anything to confirm or deny.
But ISTR seeing a pic of one of the pretendolino carriages at crewe looking like they were being masked for repainting or vinyling, probably on Flickr

 

[Ianigsy]

What is the thinking in TPE using Newton and Lea Green? Are they areas of expanding populations or business?

Newton has been the regular alternative stop when TPE have been unable to use the Warrington route for several years now - same platform interchange with the North Wales service for Warrington passengers.

 

[158820]

Some of the MK3 stock was out on test today with very colourful 68019 in the TPE livery.

 

[Domh245]

Having looked at it on flickr, it does look like a very colourful rake, especially with the snow!

68019 5Z08 Preston by British Rail 1980s and 1990s, on Flickr

 

[driver_m]

You'll be seeing this between Crewe and Lime St via Runcorn. They're route learning that way with this temporary stock.

 

[Bantamzen]

Having looked at it on flickr, it does look like a very colourful rake, especially with the snow!

68019 5Z08 Preston by British Rail 1980s and 1990s, on Flickr

The combination of colours of the loco and rake are rather a distraction, but I still love the 68's livery, it looks really smart. Can't wait for these to start in passenger service for a trip over the hills.