Trivia: Stock which there are no surviving examples

[MK Tom]

Well 460s exist, they have just been rebuilt and renumbered.

Few of the Mk1 EMUs have survived, particularly the OHE types. All that are left of the 308s AFAIK are a few doors.

And a complete driving car. https://mkttransportphoto.smugmug.com/2014/May-2014/Coventry-Railway-Museum-11th/i-QKhVrC5

But that is the only survivor of the entire 304/305/308 family, unless you count the 504 at Bury.

 

[RichmondCommu]

The LMS built a three car articulated DMU which I'm pretty damn sure hasn't survived.

 

[Cowley]

The LMS built a three car articulated DMU which I'm pretty damn sure hasn't survived.

There were some GWR streamlined units that didn't survive too, not the type that Didcot have but the more curvy ones.

 

[theageofthetra]

Did any Liverpool Overhead or original Glasgow subway cars survive (other than that sectioned on in the museum)

 

[Ash Bridge]

No worries

Just thought of another loss, 2 in 1 in fact - Gas turbine 18100, which was eventually converted to prototype 25KV electric loco E1000 (nominally tops class 80) before being scrapped I think in the late 60s early 70s?
The other gas turbine (18000) survived although much altered. Would have loved a trip behind either of them by the way...

There were some GWR streamlined units that didn't survive too, not the type that Didcot have but the more curvy ones.

The LMS built a three car articulated DMU which I'm pretty damn sure hasn't survived.

More good shouts there! also I don't think anyone has yes mentioned the Swindon Crosscountry (class 120) dmu, all that survives is one trailer buffet centre car, all the driving motor cars sadly scrapped, another yet unmentioned vehicle is the diesel brake tender.

Edit: I note that one of these is now being recreated on the Great Central Railway.

 

[Lankyline]

2MT 2-6-2T, 3MT 2-6-0, 3MT 2-6-2T, Patriots

 

[A0]

A couple I can think of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DHP1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_124

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_125

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_EE1

 

[matacaster]

Stanier Turbomotive.

 

[theageofthetra]

The LMS built a three car articulated DMU which I'm pretty damn sure hasn't survived.

Been doing some research into the LMS railcar & it appears it went into BR departmental use (without middle and a lowered roof) for use on electrification projects and survived in this state until the late 60's though can't find any pictures of it. Don't also forget the LMS built railcars for Northen Ireland-including ones with a raised cupola like the French Picasso railcars so the driver could see over a propelled trailer. There are a few photos of these and those bizarre articulated ones with a tiny 4 wheel centre power car similar to ones that were exported to Australia. I wonder if any of these ever survived as they predated the mainland DMU's by sometime and really were trailblazers.

 

[Dai Corner]

What about the Midland Railway EMUs and the BR AM1s which worked the Lancaster-Heysham line?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_electric_units
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_AM1

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Have the Glossop/Hadfield 506s been mentioned yet? I don't think any vehicles survived (though the similar 306s have one preserved example, of course).

 

[AndyW33]

Off the top of my head;
Stanier 2-6-4 tank engine

I assume you meant the two-cylinder version, one of the three-cylinder type is part of the National Collection.

The good news is that as I'm sure you're aware there are plans to build a new Grange and class 47xx.

And there are plans to build a new Clan as well, 72010 Hengist. They've already produced quite a bit of it.

 

[BestWestern]

Well 460s exist, they have just been rebuilt and renumbered.

Few of the Mk1 EMUs have survived, particularly the OHE types. All that are left of the 308s AFAIK are a few doors.

A few doors?

 

[70014IronDuke]

I assume you meant the two-cylinder version, one of the three-cylinder type is part of the National Collection.

I had not realised there was no LMS 2-cyl 2-6-4T preserved in working order. That is quite ridiculous, really. I think it could be argued that this was one of the most successful locomotives ever built - certainly for it's type.

The 3-cyl version was really something of an aberration. I don't know if it was worth the bother - the extra cost and weight of the inside cylinder and gear saved on hammer blow, and in theory gave faster acceleration (but in practice?) but added to loco maintenance costs. Certainly, as I remember it, these locos were rapidly withdrawn once the LT&S was electrified.

Of course, the Standard 4MT 2-6-4T was more or less the LMS design modernised a bit. Perhaps someone could dig out the Fowler 2-6-4T that is buried under the service station near Mill Hill? Now that would be a preservation project with a difference

And there are plans to build a new Clan as well, 72010 Hengist. They've already produced quite a bit of it.

A less worthy steam-related project would be more difficult to imagine. A new 77xxx, I suppose. :roll: Their time would be better spent campaigning for the Port Line to re-open - and that's a hopeless cause.
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Off the top of my head;
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LNER V1 tank engine
LNER V3 tank engine
...

These, like almost all Gresley designs, were quite handsome locos. Not sure, in terms of cost-effectiveness, if they were up to the LMS 2-6-4Ts though. Again, 3-cylinder design would have made them maintenance-heavy on costs. Once the Edinburgh suburban and Durham Coast was dieselised, these had short lives - a sign of high costs vis-a-vis alternative steam power.

 

[Ianigsy]

Did any Liverpool Overhead or original Glasgow subway cars survive (other than that sectioned on in the museum)

There's a Liverpool Overhead car in the Museum of Liverpool- presumably by the sectioned one you mean the Glasgow subway car in the Riverside Museum? Incidentally, I recall reading that the G&SW loco in the Riverside is the only surviving loco from that railway, most of the others having been scrapped in fairly short order by the LMS.

Being from that area originally, I'm not aware of any Wirral Railway locos or Mersey Railway electric stock having survived- Mersey Railway motor car number 1 having been destroyed in a fire at Derby Works while it was in the process of being restored for exhibition.

Quite a few preserved lines would probably appreciate an NER G5 or Great Central C13 tank if any had survived- I think there's a new build G5 on the drawing board, but these seem to have been handy little branch line locos with a wide range of operations. The other NER class which it would be interesting to have would be the Raven Pacifics, which were evaluated against Gresley's A1 as the LNER's standard design and came off second best. I think I'm right in saying that they were the only British Pacific class (as opposed to one-offs) where we no longer have a representative.

 

[bramling]

Not seen a thread on this yet but what stock is there that there is no surviving examples. By stock this includes locomotives, coaches, DMUs, EMUs, freight stock and everything else.

Some of the ones I can think of:

• Class 151
• Blue Pullman
• Class 460
• Class 311 (only part of a trainset exists)

I am sure there are much more though.

For London Underground, of the post-war stocks, 1956 stock (3x prototype trains) is extinct. A62 stock is down to one car. C69 stock is fully extinct, although there are 3x C77 motor cars preserved.

 

[RichmondCommu]

I assume you meant the two-cylinder version, one of the three-cylinder type is part of the National Collection.

Yes I did Given that the last one was withdrawn in 1967 I think it's a real shame that no one thought to preserve one.

I wonder what the chances are of seeing 42500 running again, at least in the near future.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Class 309 EMU. Liverpool Street to Clacton I think they ran between. Rather attractive unit with nice wrap round cab windows either side of the inter-unit gangway connection. Otherwise similar to the Swindon built trans-pennine DMUs without a gangway connection I seem to recall - class 121 maybe ?.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Class 309 EMU. Liverpool Street to Clacton I think they ran between. Rather attractive unit with nice wrap round cab windows either side of the inter-unit gangway connection. Otherwise similar to the Swindon built trans-pennine DMUs without a gangway connection I seem to recall - class 121 maybe ?.

I stand to be corrected here, but I think two former class 309s still survive as three car units at the Electric Railway Museum near Coventry.

 

[physics34]

I think there are no SR design 2 EPBs and no BR design 4EPBs in existence anymore. What has happened to the 4SUB 4732?

 

[yorksrob]

I think there are no SR design 2 EPBs and no BR design 4EPBs in existence anymore. What has happened to the 4SUB 4732?

The 4SUB is currently at the Coventry Railway Centre. I believe there's a SR design 2EPB in private ownership somewhere.

I'd be interested to know the status of the 4EPB at the ironstone railway, as I never seem to see up to date photos on the Interweb.

 

[physics34]

The 4SUB is currently at the Coventry Railway Centre. I believe there's a SR design 2EPB in private ownership somewhere.

I'd be interested to know the status of the 4EPB at the ironstone railway, as I never seem to see up to date photos on the Interweb.

Looks like it's had a coat of green paint. I rode this on the EPB farewell railtour ?????? This unit has guttering along the whole length of the body side whereas most other SR EPBS didn't.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Looks like it's had a coat of green paint. I rode this on the EPB farewell railtour �� This unit has guttering along the whole length of the body side whereas most other SR EPBS didn't.

That looks rather nice, good shot!

 

[physics34]

That looks rather nice, good shot!

Am i right its only 3 coaches and the other DMSO has been scrapped?

 

[Ash Bridge]

Am i right its only 3 coaches and the other DMSO has been scrapped?

That's a good question, you appear correct about the three cars remaining at Northampton, but wiki suggests the fourth (intermediate) car went to Coventry, yet there is no mention on the Electric Railway Museums website of this vehicle being located there.

Edit: on further reading it seems both driving cars (14351/14352) plus TS 15396 are at Northampton, TS 15354 should be at Coventry.

 

[physics34]

That's a good question, you appear correct about the three cars remaining at Northampton, but wiki suggests the fourth (intermediate) car went to Coventry, yet there is no mention on the Electric Railway Museums website of this vehicle being located there.

Edit: on further reading it seems both driving cars (14351/14352) plus TS 15396 are at Northampton, TS 15354 should be at Coventry.

would be great to see them together at some point and working!! Sadly there are not enough volunteers

 

[Ash Bridge]

would be great to see them together at some point and working!! Sadly there are not enough volunteers

Got to agree with you there, it certainly would!