paul1609
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We know a 73/9 can do 8 coaches, can 2 do 16?Crews have never had that route signed, maybe in Virgin days but not for the last 15 years anyway. No locos capable of supplying power anyway.
We know a 73/9 can do 8 coaches, can 2 do 16?Crews have never had that route signed, maybe in Virgin days but not for the last 15 years anyway. No locos capable of supplying power anyway.
We know a 73/9 can do 8 coaches, can 2 do 16?
What about one on each end with the jumpers off in the middle?No they can't power 16.
What about one on each end with the jumpers off in the middle?
Dragged back 5 hours later.5. They let 'another 390 out of Preston only to get stuck behind the trapped 390! (That got dragged back to Preston with a 57).
From a friend who is a TM at VT:
1. TPE 350 failed at Garstang this morning.
2. Another 350 resuced the failed 350 and dragged it to Lancaster.
3. Unknown to everyone the 'Resuce 350' pulled the Wires down (yet got through)
4. They let a 390 out of Preston, only to plowh into the section where the Wires came down. Trapped!
5. They let 'another 390 out of Preston only to get stuck behind the trapped 390! (That got dragged back to Preston with a 57).
6. Everyone 'self evacuated' off the failed 390 as it was stuck there for hours.
Only points 1 and 2 are correct.
The OHLE structure appeared to have been dislodged by something (possibly geological issues but unsure) and the wires came down ahead of the next VT service, which got trapped with a mast leaning against it and the wires all over the place. A couple of other trains were also in the immediate area when the power tripped out, and couldn’t be moved until locomotives arrived, despite being clear of the damage. The passengers (many hundreds of them) on the train with the wires on top of it were evacuated to another. No passengers were found trackside.
Did that 350 fail in roughly the same place where the OHLE issues were? And do we know why it failed?
Pure speculation on my part, but could it have detected a problem with the OHLE and dropped the pan, and for some reason was unable to be reset? Just seems too ironic to me that one unit failed in what I believe it roughly the same location as the next unit ran into downed overheads.
1M92 07:10 Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport is cancelled tomorrow due to “damage to overhead electric wires.”
The incident again demonstrates the folly of Virgin not maintaining route knowledge via Blackburn, Hellifield and the Settle & Carlisle line.
The incident again demonstrates the folly of Virgin not maintaining route knowledge via Blackburn, Hellifield and the Settle & Carlisle line.
Costly to maintain and very rarely required.
Why don't people get this?
Costly to maintain and very rarely required.
Why don't people get this?
Having a different view is allowed chaps! Passengers have chosen to travel by train and have paid for a rail journey. Surveys have consistently shown that passengers prefer their train to be diverted rather than using bus replacements. BR would have diverted via the S&C. I hope that a more joined-up railway will again do so in the future.
Perhaps the situation has been rectified in the new franchise agreement ?
It will be even less likely if Voyagers are being replaced by straight electric trains.
Did that 350 fail in roughly the same place where the OHLE issues were? And do we know why it failed?
There isn't enough rolling stock to divert trains that way and, at short notice, it won't be in the right place.
While there are some Voyagers still used on anglo-Scottish workings, most are Pendolinos.
In BR days you might have been able to commandeer some locomotives to haul trains via he Settle and Carlisle line but they aren't lying around now (or suitable).
The time penalty is enormous.
Virgin themselves diverted via the S&C until around 15 years ago.