I have an advance ticket from Exmouth to London Terminals. Does this mean it is valid by non-LU services to terminals in London other than Waterloo? Specifically, can I use it to get to St Pancras by going Waterloo East > London Bridge > St Pancras?
I have an advance ticket from Exmouth to London Terminals. Does this mean it is valid by non-LU services to terminals in London other than Waterloo? Specifically, can I use it to get to St Pancras by going Waterloo East > London Bridge > St Pancras?
I have an advance ticket from Exmouth to London Terminals. Does this mean it is valid by non-LU services to terminals in London other than Waterloo? Specifically, can I use it to get to St Pancras by going Waterloo East > London Bridge > St Pancras?
Are you sure it says Advance and London Terminals? That seems to be an oxymoron.
London terminals means different things from different places. From Exmouth it will mean Paddington or Waterloo, plus Charing Cross, London Bridge, Cannon Street, Victoria, Blackfriars and City Thamslink. You cannot go through Farringdon on a London Terminals ticket, so St Pancras is ruled out.
However, if you have an advance ticket it will be valid on the specified train to the specified terminal. If that is Waterloo then you can probably also change for Charing Cross, London Bridge, Cannon Street, but I'm not certain. Are you sure it says Advance and London Terminals? That seems to be an oxymoron.
Another related question. If I buy a ticket to 'London Terminals', and then break the journey at one terminal before travelling on to another, is this permitted? Specifically travelling from Strood to 'London Terminals', getting out at London Bridge, then going on later to Charing Cross.
The ticket will be swallowed by the barriers at London Bridge.
Another related question. If I buy a ticket to 'London Terminals', and then break the journey at one terminal before travelling on to another, is this permitted? Specifically travelling from Strood to 'London Terminals', getting out at London Bridge, then going on later to Charing Cross.
Yes if you have a travelcard - obviously.
Yes if it's a valid route, hence my question if Charing Cross is not permitted by the routing guide are you still allowed to go there as it is south of Farringdon?
Indeed. If BOJ is allowed then it is allowed at London Bridge. It would be wise to show it to barrier staff rather than risk it being swallowed by the gates.The question is now if I buy a single from Strood to London Terminals intending to go to Charing Cross (clearly a valid route), but want to break at London Bridge, is this allowed given that London Bridge is a 'London Terminal' and therefore the barrier may think it's the end of my intended journey and nick my ticket? To my mind there's no difference between going Strood > Charing Cross and breaking at London Bridge than there would be breaking at New Cross.
I don't want it to be swallowed. I need it for making an expenses claim at work so I'd better show it to the bert and tell him I need to keep it.
Official guidance is that if you need a receipt for an expense claim you should ask for one when you buy the ticket. It will be automatically issued for a card transaction.
(Not saying I endorse it, mind you.)
Can you give me a specific example, please?what happens if the terminal you want to go to is permitted by the north south rule but not permitted by the routing guide?
Tickets from Brighton to London St Pancras or Farringdon are issued route 'Not Underground' at the same price as Brighton - City Thameslink route Any Permitted. Tickets to London from stations Bedford to West Hampstead Thameslink inclusive are issued to London Thameslink and are valid to any station served by FCC Thameslink between St Pancras and Elephant & Castle or London Bridge.Does the Snow Hill limit apply to Thameslink workings? Surely Farringdon and St Pancras are on the line of route for passengers from Brighton etc?
It is valid subject to two conditions. First, that there is a permitted route from the origin to the final London Terminals destination via the intermediate London Terminals destination. Second, that the ticket type permits break of journey.If I buy a ticket to 'London Terminals', and then break the journey at one terminal before travelling on to another, is this permitted? Specifically travelling from Strood to 'London Terminals', getting out at London Bridge, then going on later to Charing Cross.
Below is the official answer from National Rail Enquiries:
Tickets issued to London usually state 'London Terminals' as a destination on the ticket rather than naming the specific station. This is because the ticket is valid to any London termini, via any reasonable line of route, using National Rail services only and assuming that it is not a special fare restricted to a specific train company.
For example, a ticket from Brighton to London Terminals is valid to Victoria, Waterloo (changing at Clapham Junction), London Bridge, Blackfriars and City Thameslink or Charing Cross Waterloo East or Cannon Street (changing at London Bridge). It would not be valid to, for example, London Euston or Paddington as this would not be on the line of route and would involve crossing London using another mode of transport.
Are NRE saying London Overground are no longer part of 'National Rail services' ? That would contradict the latest published version of the NRCoC.
Although that's not quite correct in the case of someone wishing to travel from King's Cross to Moorgate on London Underground, in possession of a ticket that has validity between Finsbury Park and London Terminals.Passed through both Euston & Kings Cross LUL stations today. Both were displaying large posters proclaiming that tickets marked London Terminals were NOT valid on the London Underground and that new tickets were to be purchased for travel.
I knew there was somewhere that wasn't right - thanks for pointing it outAlthough that's not quite correct in the case of someone wishing to travel from King's Cross to Moorgate on London Underground, in possession of a ticket that has validity between Finsbury Park and London Terminals.
I don't know about NRE, but TfL certainly like to give the impression that Overground is not part of National Rail.
However, in relation to this thread, I take it you're suggesting either Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction then Euston or New Cross Gate to Highbury & Islington then Moorgate? I think that the routeing guide rules these routes out by not including them on valid maps. Someone more expert than me might have a better explanation.