Robin Hood line is a stunner - puking and ****ing in vestibules and luggage racks, fights on trains and stations, staff pushed off platforms and on to the track. Absolute farce. Should be shut down at 1730 on Saturday and Sunday.
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Worst route(s) in UK for anti-social behaviour
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Robin Hood line is a stunner - puking and ****ing in vestibules and luggage racks, fights on trains and stations, staff pushed off platforms and on to the track. Absolute farce. Should be shut down at 1730 on Saturday and Sunday.
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Generally ok when I have used it but I did once see a fist fight between some very drunk underage drinkers. :roll:
Bletchleyite
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I (possibly) stand corrected though I thought it was just because it meant it could be operated by 2 shifts rather than 3. And because there is really very little that it serves along the way.
Neil
samuelmorris
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c2c is good for foul language in the twitter feed and obnoxious commuters, but I expect that's probably pretty commonplace these days on numerous routes. Generally though a large proportion of the peak-time unpleasantness seems to happen at Barking, in the evening. From my experience anyway.
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Should any service be stopped, disadvantaging the majority due to a minority playing up?
Should the route not be better staffed? Security or BTP to keep the general public safe and allow them to make their journey whatever time of day they need to travel?
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I would guess that there's only so much that any operator is willing to put up with. They may not wish to pay out more to increase security if the problems are significant and on-going. They could try a *temporary* suspension of the troublesome journeys (as do some bus operators) and then restart them with plenty of warnings of permanent suspension if matters don't improve.
The sole reason it exists is to take drunken idiots home from getting wasted all day. Any genuine regular users except the most hardy were scared off long ago. Usually get a handful of unawares elderly people on long distance trips camping out terrified around the back cab but that's all.
RichmondCommu
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I'm surprised that the train is not patrolled by the British Transport Police. From what you've said it must be one of the worst routes in the East Midlands.
dk1
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Very sad aren't they? Wonder what their mother would say if she read what they send whilst hiding behind their iPads.
ChiefPlanner
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Anti- social behaviour can - and does move around ......in my experience you got cycles of it .....
Nearer to Bloomfield Road (Blackpool FC) for a start, and I am sure many drinkers will do a pub crawl from South Prom to North town centre as there is more than enough pubs. Rarely see any trouble on the line other than a Friday/Saturday/Bank Holiday weekend though.
The 0350 Brighton-Victoria can be quite lively. I believe there used to be a 0150 but this was stopped due to Anti-Social behaviour?
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I live on this line and use it regularly and disagree with you.
When there are drunks on the train, they normally get off in the Birkenhead area, long before Ellesmere Port.
It would help, of course, if the train staff were a bit more visible instaed of hiding in the back cab.
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The Robin Hood line is one of 15 routes that BTP take a special interest in as part of the entire rail network. The trains are booked for two security guards to travel with the train, as well as around six BTP officers to travel as and when. Passengers are prescreened at Nottingham so that they all have tickets, no alcohol, and are not going to cause any issues. It doesn't always work, but it's probably half as bad as it used to be.
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BTP - Be There Probably
plastictaffy
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If you had to deal with some of the clowns that have had a beer and think they can fight the world, you'd hide in the back cab, too. We may be paid well, but not well enough to risk a smack in the mouth.
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I wouldn't be surprised if many of the drunks on the Blackpool South line board at Lytham - it's a popular place for the locals on a night out. But unless someone who uses that line regularly knows different I haven't heard much about it being particularly bad for anti-social behaviour.
Most of the aggro in Blackpool is late night / early hours - too late for the trains and more likely to be locals or people staying overnight (or just not going to bed). I've never seen anything other than high spirits on a Blackpool North train but I'm sure things flare up from time to time just as they do anywhere.
Some of the worst travelling experiences for me have been on Saturdays because of football 'fans' (and rugby fans once at Leicester); intimidating behaviour, offensive language, peeing in bottles, and in one case hassling a young woman to tears (that was the rugby fans). I've been waiting for a train at Nottingham and watched police escort the fans to the station then just abandon them; from being escorted by horses it's down to a couple of BTP, railway staff and, of course, the public being left to fend for themselves. I now check all the football fixtures before a Saturday journey!
The 0150 has always been a staff train from Brighton to Three Bridges
Rich_D3167
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The 18:07 Newark North Gate to Grimsby Town on Saturdays is now a dry train (at least between Lincoln Central & Grimsby Town), so this one has certainly had issues in the past. Last through train to Grimsby from Newark & Lincoln, so you usually get the drunks heading home.
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Any train to Southport on 12th July.
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Any weekend, evening or overnight Thameslink service which calls at Leagrave or Elstree.
Some vagrants use the overnight Thameslink trains as a free hotel for the night, due to the lack of BTP and ticket checks.
Late evening trains which call at Loughborough Junction and stations between Sutton and Wimbledon seem to attract all sorts of dodgy characters.
Some vagrants use the overnight Thameslink trains as a free hotel for the night, due to the lack of BTP and ticket checks.
Late evening trains which call at Loughborough Junction and stations between Sutton and Wimbledon seem to attract all sorts of dodgy characters.
heart-of-wessex
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I've done a lot of Bedford returns from St Pancras before to kill time before a railtour or something, had some ****ed up teens on a couple of times arounfmd St Albans, nothing drastic though, most the pax were overnight travellers to/from the airports.
Done the Chingford branch once on a late evening before going home, ended up getting robbed between Clapton and Bethnal Green
Done the Chingford branch once on a late evening before going home, ended up getting robbed between Clapton and Bethnal Green
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Personal experience the sutton loop is bad
asylumxl
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I will agree with you on Borehamwood (I wish they'd stop calling it Elstree). As for Leagrave I'm not sure, but I will say plenty of questionable types get on at Bedford.
From experience in the evening there are plenty of disruptive drunk, middle-aged people who alight at St. Albans and fare dodging teenagers who alight at Harpenden.
Mutant Lemming
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There never was much of an evening service even when there were through trains to Wigan and Bolton from Liverpool Exchange. Once passengers had to change at Kirkby patronage dropped even further as most passengers from Wigan to Liverpool would opt for the other route. Can't see the evening service being curtailed due to trouble as there was no one around to cause it.
Worse line I have travelled on in recent times is the Southminster branch - kids tried to get on the train along the way with a motorbike, there was people smoking and dealing of some kind of substances all on board even with the non rail security staff (known as bouncers in the real world) present.
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dk1
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Don't know why. Harpenden was always that bit snobbier & Mummy & Daddy gave pocket money on credit cards.
Depends what part of the route you mean. From South Parkway to Liverpool you will see no trouble, although perhaps you mean people leaving Birmingham for other West Midlands towns. Heading out of Liverpool there are some dry trains thanks to the agro caused by the good folk of Runcorn and other Cheshire towns.
I've heard that there are some problems on trains from York to the North East on Saturday evenings. The last few times I have passed through York station around this time I have witnessed revenue staff at the main entrance, although not at the car park or NRM entrance, which I am lead to believe is a permanent arrangement at this time of the week.
TheJRB
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Which always makes me laugh because Bickley is very much an affluent and desirable area.
I can't say I've experienced much anti-social behaviour on trains in my area.
Ashford-Tonbridge always seems comfortable. That said the latest I've travelled is about 9 PM on a Saturday though and apart from raised voices and foul language from some youths, it certainly wasn't bad.
Don't think I've ever seen bad behaviour on HS1 although I've heard about the awful behaviour from those Ebbsfleet football fans recently.
I couldn't call it antisocial very often, but the Maidstone East line seems the most "lively". Seem to get some odd sorts on that line from time to time I must say. Then again it's the one I use the least so maybe it's just my experience!
You can board a train in England when clearly drunk? Well; try it in the Netherlands. But when even Kim Wilde goes wild..... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ij8BpOa-Pg
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