Landslip at Hatfield Colliery (near Doncaster) line to Hull/Scunthorpe now reopened.

[Cundy66]

What has happened today?

 

[Donny Dave]

Northern tweeted something about subsidence which closed Hatfield and Stainforth station (no loss there).

However NRES are saying that Northern's Scunthorpe services are starting/terminating at Doncaster, with TPE taking on local stops between Scunthorpe and Doncaster, but trains from Scunthorpe and Hull unable to call at Hatfield and Stainforth.

 

[Cundy66]

But if TPE are taking on local stops how can they pass Hatfield? or are they calling at, Thorne South, Crowle, Althorpe and Scunthorpe only to connect?

 

[TG]

the fast lines which go through Hatfield & Stainforth station are closed due to subsidence and there is a 5 MPH emergency speed restriction on the slow lines which run around the station...

all doncaster to scunthorpe (northern) services are cancelled with TPE services to Cleethorpes running with delays

Hull to Sheffield services are diverting via selby with hull to doncaster services running booked route but unable to call at Hatfield & Stainforth and are subject to delays

this is due to subsidance around the stainforth colliery area

 

[Boothby97]

Today there's no trains Scunthorpe-Doncaster with TPX running shuttles from Cleethorpes to Scunthorpe. Northern diverting Hull services via Goole, no Northern to Scunthorpe
Thanks, Sam

 

[TG]

hull to Doncaster stoppers are being terminated at goole
hull to sheffield expresses are being diverted via selby

single line working has been implemented at hatfield and stainforth... (allegedly)

cleethorpes to manchester airport TPE services are terminating at doncaster (from MIA) and are running shuttles between cleethorpes and scunthorpe

sheffield to Scunthorpe services are terminating at doncaster!

until further notice, buses replace trains in the affected area!

 

[sheff'd victoria]

this is due to subsidance around the stainforth colliery area

This reminds me of the stories Ive been told about the old Midland Main Line around Wath & Cudsworth that suffered the same problems

 

[MisterWhippy]

It would be for this reason:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC5eOwJCcAAcUol.jpg

From the Network Rail Twitter feed.

 

[Widnes Planner]

For those who can't access the link above (like me), here is another linky, to the Network Rail website. The cause appears to be slippage of the enormous colliery spoil heap next to the line, which is forcing the northernmost two lines upwards. Could be a long one...


http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/7345/Disruption-to-rail-services-Stainforth

 

[stuartmoss]

TPE are also posting updates on their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/FirstTranspennineExpress

 

[Max]

Info from Northern:

Emergency engineering works are being carried out at Hatfield & Stainforth due to a landslip. We will update you as and when we have more information but this disruption is likely to be ongoing until further notice.

Because of this, the following changes will apply to Northern Rail services:

Buses are replacing trains between Doncaster and Goole / Scunthorpe, with journey times extended by up to 60 minutes
Services between Sheffield and Bridlington / Scarborough are being diverted via Selby, and will not call at Goole
Services between Doncaster and Scunthorpe are suspended
First TransPennine Express services between Manchester Airport and Cleethorpes will not run between Doncaster and Scunthorpe.

Bus coordinators are stationed at Doncaster, Goole and Scunthorpe.

Follow us on Twitter @northernrailorg for further updates #HatfieldStainforth

 

[Donny Dave]

RAIL passengers were facing significant delays today after tracks were buckled by a landslip on a colliery spoil tip in Yorkshire.

Network Rail said it had been forced to close the line between Doncaster, Goole and Scunthorpe after the track became unsafe.

It is understood a train driver first reported concerns about the uneven track close to Hatfield Colliery, near Doncaster, as far back as Saturday.

The working pit, one of the last remaining in the country, is managed by Durham-based mining company Hargreaves Services.

A spokesman for the firm said it had called in specialist civil engineers to tackle the problem but could not predict how long that would take.

Buses are replacing trains between Doncaster and Goole and Doncaster and Scunthorpe, with journey times being extended by up to an hour.

Other service alterations include:

First TransPennine Express services between Manchester Airport and Cleethorpes will not run between Doncaster and Scunthorpe

Northern Rail services between Sheffield and Bridlington or Scarborough are being diverted via Selby, and will not call at Goole.

From the Yorkshire Post

If the part highlighted by me is true, then howcome NR didn't plan anything until the full landslip happened?

PS. Who picks up the tab for the repairs? Network Rail or the colliery owner?

 

[455driver]

How can they plan anything until they know what is actually happening with the track/spoil heap!

 

[DarloRich]

From the Yorkshire Post

If the part highlighted by me is true, then howcome NR didn't plan anything until the full landslip happened?

PS. Who picks up the tab for the repairs? Network Rail or the colliery owner?

Rail services in the Doncaster area are being affected by a landslip at Stainforth.

A Network Rail spokesman said: “We have been carefully monitoring the track near Hatfield colliery at Stainforth since Saturday afternoon (9 Feb) when a train driver reported a “rough ride”. Train services in the area have been carefully managed to protect safety.

“Unfortunately conditions have worsened and this morning (12 Feb) the colliery has advised our staff to vacate the area. We anticipate that there will be disruption to services between Doncaster and Goole and Doncaster and Scunthorpe for some time. Our engineers are working with the colliery to understand the cause of the movement of the spoil heap and to develop a safe plan to manage this and restore the track.

“We apologise to passengers for the inconvenience caused.”


That quote from the NR website ought to help with your accusations of inactivity. Why do people just assume nothing is happening? ( http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/7345/Disruption-to-rail-services-Stainforth )

 

[TG]

From the Yorkshire Post

If the part highlighted by me is true, then howcome NR didn't plan anything until the full landslip happened?

PS. Who picks up the tab for the repairs? Network Rail or the colliery owner?

i went over that route several times on saturday and didn't feel anything un-toward, we didn't even know anything had been reported there until a 20mph speed restriction appeared yesterday afternoon, which was then reduced to 5mph before they made the decision to close the line completely.. it's now looking pretty bad, with the up fast line sitting on top of the down fast line in one part!

 

[fgwrich]

It's not so much a spoil heap ala Crossrail, more a Slag Heap from the neighbouring Hatfield Main Colliery. Fortunatly, while this has the potential makings of another Aberfan, there is only one very twisted and covered Mainline in the way than houses.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster)

Anyway, Network Rail staff currently advised not to enter the area by the operators of Hatfield Main Colliery due to the ongoing subsidence of the Slag heap - Estimated time is now one month to repair.

 

[Ploughman]

Looking at the photo on the NWR site it shows cracking in the top of the heap a long way back from the slip face.
That seems to me to indicate that the heap is going to full of liquid and could move a lot more.
Some one has an awful lot of muck to shift whatever.

 

[fgwrich]

Looking at the photo on the NWR site it shows cracking in the top of the heap a long way back from the slip face.
That seems to me to indicate that the heap is going to full of liquid and could move a lot more.
Some one has an awful lot of muck to shift whatever.

https://twitter.com/networkrail/status/301424568516632576/photo/1

 

[TG]

i went over that route several times on saturday and didn't feel anything un-toward, we didn't even know anything had been reported there until a 20mph speed restriction appeared yesterday afternoon, which was then reduced to 5mph before they made the decision to close the line completely.. it's now looking pretty bad, with the up fast line sitting on top of the down fast line in one part!

^^ i posted this one age one but it appears to have got lost...

it included a photo from the area showing the damage!!

 

[sheff'd victoria]

Who at the end of the day will have to pay the bill for all of this ?

 

[khib70]

I'm going with a group for a football weekend in Hull (with the odd cocktail thrown in) from Edinburgh on EC + connections advances. I'm unfamiliar with the lie of the land in that area so, forgive my ignorance.

Our return journey is booked to travel Hull-Doncaster on Sunday 17th on the 1153 Northern service, booked to arrive at Doncaster 1247, and on to Edinburgh on the 1310. Quite a tight connection, I think.

Obviously, the Hull-Donny stretch is unreserved so it will be possible to take an earlier service. What I'd like to know is - what sort of delays are likely on the Hull-Donny trains? Will there be bustitution. How much earlier a service will we need to take from Hull to guarantee making the conncection at Donny to the 1310.

Thanks in advance for any advice

 

[YorkshireBear]

I'm going with a group for a football weekend in Hull (with the odd cocktail thrown in) from Edinburgh on EC + connections advances. I'm unfamiliar with the lie of the land in that area so, forgive my ignorance.

Our return journey is booked to travel Hull-Doncaster on Sunday 17th on the 1153 Northern service, booked to arrive at Doncaster 1247, and on to Edinburgh on the 1310. Quite a tight connection, I think.

Obviously, the Hull-Donny stretch is unreserved so it will be possible to take an earlier service. What I'd like to know is - what sort of delays are likely on the Hull-Donny trains? Will there be bustitution. How much earlier a service will we need to take from Hull to guarantee making the conncection at Donny to the 1310.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Hard to say to be honest, your best bet would be to make time to talk to staff when you arrive in Hull before drinking ofc

ID say there will be a delay and get the earlier train and you should be fine it shouldnt be a higher delay than that, but check!

 

[Tomnick]

The revised plan for Sunday isn't in the system yet (shows everything running through Goole), but diverting via Selby (and probably arriving Donny in good time for your train north) rather than a bus from Goole will depend upon the planned engineering work that way being cancelled. Watch this space?

 

[stuartmoss]

Photo on the TPE facebook feed, admin this is deep linked so no copyright infringement

 

[lincolnshire]

Photo on the TPE facebook feed, admin this is deep linked so no copyright infringement

Look at the Network Rail website as there is the other two pictures on that site as well as the one above.

One picture was of monday by looks of things and the one above looks like the latest one. Don,t think its going to be a coupleof days job to clear it up as there is still quite a large pile on the collery land, so how stable is that?

Nice interesting job for someone and who,s going to pay then?

 

[YorkshireBear]

That has got severly worse. Considering the nature of the slide i dont see how they are going to significantly stop it anytime soon. Tbh i dont see it stopping slipping till at least monday, and thats optimistic.

Could be looking at April for line to open again.

(not that experienced in geotech work but thats my thoughts)

I will attempt to speak to my lecturer about it tommorow.

 

[Widnes Planner]

Some interesting thoughts found on a blog by a geophysics expert - as YB says, we could be looking at a very long time:

http://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/

 

[dysonsphere]

Well looking at those pics mainly the aerial one I would guess several months as a large chunk of slag heap will have to be removed to make it safe. Might we see a large number of spoil trains running from the location, would be an easy way to remove the slip.

 

[khib70]

The revised plan for Sunday isn't in the system yet (shows everything running through Goole), but diverting via Selby (and probably arriving Donny in good time for your train north) rather than a bus from Goole will depend upon the planned engineering work that way being cancelled. Watch this space?

]
Thanks to you and others for the advice. Looks like an earlier train/bus then. Another question - presumably going via York instead and joining the same train to Edinburgh is a no-no? Don't want to finish the weekend away with eight of us forking out for an Off Peak single!:cry:

 

[Mugby]

I travel from Sheffield to Hull occasionally and I'm wondering if the hourly service is being maintained but via Selby instead of Goole.
Journey time from Doncaster via Selby is about the same as via Goole even though Selby is nine miles longer. I suppose the biggest difficulty is pathing on the ECML and crossing the junction at Temple Hirst.