Ah, I wasn't talking that far ahead. I was implying that one TOC has renamed it to involve the word customer. The measure remains exactly the same as before.
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Ah, I wasn't talking that far ahead. I was implying that one TOC has renamed it to involve the word customer. The measure remains exactly the same as before.
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nxea321446
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321448 is due to make the move down south today from doncaster to ilford depot
badassunicorn
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I'm working at Ilford tomorrow Imma have a wee shifty =P
Though you were Norwich?? Looking forward to when it comes to Colchester to have a look around it.
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noooooo ICS ftw
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Did anyone get any pics of the move, or know what the path was?
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nxea321446
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it definitely said in rail magazine that it was due to return to greater anglia on july 12 but i kept checking real time trains and unfortunately could not find any info of its working
SprinterMan
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Makes me think something has delayed it tbh... :P
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its not there, I heard it was due around the 19th...
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maybe wabtec didnt finish the static testing in time for the 12th and its overrun
as the man from Eversholt said in the Rail Mag article "we have a short window to get this work done otherwise it will not be cost effective given the age of the trains"......
Really? Looks like the "Demonstrator" might be a big white elephant then! According to Ruud...........nothing to happen on even AN ORDER until late 2016....
http://www.greateranglia.co.uk/abou...ss-on-east-anglian-rail-prospectus-priorities
so what does that mean for the even older 317s?
Oh well........at least 7 more above inflation busting fare increases to go before the remote chance of a decent modern seat and air con!
not my words by the way.......
Really? Looks like the "Demonstrator" might be a big white elephant then! According to Ruud...........nothing to happen on even AN ORDER until late 2016....
http://www.greateranglia.co.uk/abou...ss-on-east-anglian-rail-prospectus-priorities
so what does that mean for the even older 317s?
Oh well........at least 7 more above inflation busting fare increases to go before the remote chance of a decent modern seat and air con!
not my words by the way.......
Your supposedly fantastic new trains like the 360's and 379's are some of the most unreliable trains in the network!!
90sWereBetter
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I'm guessing Greater Anglia broke into Ginger's house one night and took a dump in the middle of his living room. 
I mean, seriously, what is your problem with Abellio? The main reason why the Anglia franchise was in such bad condition was NX. They're doing their best, just respect them. They're not magicians.
I mean, seriously, what is your problem with Abellio? The main reason why the Anglia franchise was in such bad condition was NX. They're doing their best, just respect them. They're not magicians.
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dont know about the 379s but the 360s are one of the MOST reliable!
my point is why we have to wait for a simple thing like a decent seat and aircon? looks like it wont happen know......
answer me this......boarded a 321 this evening.....sitting in the sidings all day with windows shut......iphone app confirmed it was 45 degrees for over 35 mins of the journey (on the usual knackered filthy seats of course).....
so is that acceptable for another 7 years? with inflation busting fare increases?
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I'm guessing Greater Anglia broke into Ginger's house one night and took a dump in the middle of his living room.
I mean, seriously, what is your problem with Abellio? The main reason why the Anglia franchise was in such bad condition was NX. They're doing their best, just respect them. They're not magicians.
are you serious? GA ABellio are NXEA on speed! they come in, overbid the NXEA premium payments by 30%, reduce the cleaning regime, reduce the number of seats during the rush hour, invest zero.....well cheap in house interior refresh that falls to bits after 5 mins.....trying their best? Most staff i speak to cant wait to get rid of them! It is worse than NXEA and thats some achievement!
in other news, GA came in, delivered the contract they were required to, increased passenger satisfaction by a record amount for the franchise, improved performance significantly, and reduced the burden on the taxpayer...
#twosidestoeverystory
instead of being puerile and obtuse why not address the point? after all CUSTOMERS......yes those people you seem to forget about who pay gazillions each year for quite frankly a ****E service with ****E trains deserve better!
My point is that after all the rhetoric about new and refurned trains we get.......NOTHING ZIP ZERO LIMBO! One unit that "demonstrates" what Customer "might get" for their 000s they pay each year
Why not answer the points raised instead of being childish and ignoring "customer service".....you appear to be living in GA dinosaur Lala land......
90sWereBetter
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You seem to have the expectation that GA were gonna wave a magic wand, and everything was gonna sort itself out the moment they took control...:roll:
really? the GA franchise was ALREADY one of the most prifitable in the country BEFORE they took over.....why? Becuase there was and still is zero investment.....
Increased passenger satisfaction? Ok after their first full year it dropped by 6% to 77% (although if you believed GAs spin you would think it was the best)....second worst in the UK by a mere 1%....oh and that another Abellio Franchise....
Improved performance.....interesting point actually.....just before NXEA left they proved that 80% of the delays were caused by Network Rail.....so as NR finally get their act together GA take all the credit? How about the worst ever PPMs on the GEML over the winter......82% 80% 84%......as I said some of the worst EVER figures.....
Two sides or GA spin and cynical manipulation? (whilst investing nothing by the way)
Suggest you take off the rose tinted specs.....
PS - GA Senior Management may say "there is no money to invest" but remember this.....it was THEY who bid the premium payments.....OVERBID!!!! They have been in cap and collar from day one!!!
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why not answer the point raised instead and think of CUSTOMERS for a change? you know.....those people who pay your wages?
you seem to be the expert......how about some facts from you as opposed stupid comments like that! Address the point!
I agree with Bald Rick, GA have made massive improvements to the service in the space of 18 months. If you really hate GA that much then don't travel with them, simple as that.
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Because I am a customer of GA...
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Lets be fair, it was their first full winter...
R&D takes time, the Demonstrator is a working prototype so to speak - test out all the systems make sure it works fine. Slap in an Aircon unit without testing and it breaks/doesnt work? More complaints that they didnt test it out properly :/
R&D takes time, the Demonstrator is a working prototype so to speak - test out all the systems make sure it works fine. Slap in an Aircon unit without testing and it breaks/doesnt work? More complaints that they didnt test it out properly :/
ginger sorry but most of us staff are pretty content with GA to be honest, they are much better than NX were. If they do get the long franchise they seem to be suggesting they will improve conditions for both customers and staff.
By the way the 321's windows are shut because when they come from Orient Way the go through the wash plant to get out so the windows have to be closed otherwise the train gets soaked.
Plus I servely doubt the temp gauge on your iPhone is remotely accurate!!
By the way the 321's windows are shut because when they come from Orient Way the go through the wash plant to get out so the windows have to be closed otherwise the train gets soaked.
Plus I servely doubt the temp gauge on your iPhone is remotely accurate!!
once again not listening to the facts.....NETWORK RAIL have made massive improvements.....
GA improvements? Really? Where?
Back to the thread......why dont you think about customers FIRST and address my original point......
Why is the GA area staffed by people who dont give a toss about their customers? We live in a time warp everytime we travel on GA Dinosaur land!
Back to thread.....in the 7 years to 2020 at current premium payment levels (dictated by TOC management and accepted by the Dft) GA customers will pay appx £950m to the Dft......
So why do we get no refurb? by 2016 the ROSCO says it will not be cost effective to do on the 25 year old 321s? What does this mean for 32 year old 317s?
Does anyone has something serious to say or are we all hi on GA LSD fresh from Holland!!!!
Just because no one agrees with your opinion and thinks GA are doing quite well.
really? If they do god help the customers!
Right, the windows......are you seriously suggesting that you have a train cleaning machine that works? the trains are yellow and filthy? thats an absolute joke! but if that is the case then instead of leaving them closed to heat up like a sauna all day why doesnt someone open the doors and windows AFTER they good through the imaginary train cleaning machine? oh....clearly a cup of tea in the mess room is more important than customers!
by the way at least 4 different people along the carriage did the same test.....I trust Apples software far more than your knackered old trains! and the heating was on as well!!!!! WOW! cant manage heating in the winter but on the hottest day of the year?
Back to thread please.......lets have your EXPERT opinion on the points raised
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153s and 156s? really? a total of how many carriages? on sparsely used rural routes.....mmmmmm......priorities? GA? How about the tens of thousands of everyday regular customers?
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who cares! answer the points raised! you are an expert after all!!!
90sWereBetter
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I think GA should ship in Pacers and 153s and replace all the 317s/321s/360s with 'em. Then maybe ginger will be happy.
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You're making it sound like only people who live at the south end of Greater Anglia's route matter... oh wait, that's what you do think don't you? A bit stupid to be honest - have you even been on the trains up there? Cause they're not empty...
oh wait! sorry! down the southern end of the route is how much of the total income from the franchise???? Only about 80%.....thats right the southern end doesnt matter.....
how can you compare 80,000 regular daily commuters with a few thousand on 1, 2 and 3 car DMUs is beyond me!
Back to thread......anyone got anything to add or is this turning into a Ruud Haaket GA apologist fan club?
To open all the windows on a twelve car after you have been through the wash plant would take about 15-20 mins. We simply do not have enough time to do that. Orient way has a brand new wash plant that was build as part of the Olympic redevelopment. How hard is it for you to open a few windows when you get on? Yes I know it is very warm to start with but once you are up to 70-80 mph the airflow cools the train down.
What questions would you like answering if I am an "expert"?
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