What happened to the train?17.42 KGX to PBO was taken out of service at Stevenage tonight.
Lots of unhappy customers.
What happened to the train?17.42 KGX to PBO was taken out of service at Stevenage tonight.
Lots of unhappy customers.
Ran as empties up to Peterborough.What happened to the train?
I've said it before and I'll repeat it again, I've nothing against the 700s but the interior layout is just wrong. A 365 style interior should've been used which would have given us the best of both worlds.
I doubt anyone who has to suffer one for more than 20 minutes will like them, peak or off peak. Which is why they are so unsuitable for use for the 40 to 60 minute journeys to Peterborough. ...
They are suitable for an average journey time of about 30 minutes. For example, Bedford to St Pancras is about an hour on Thameslink but the average journey time on trains running those services is about half of that. The same will be true for Peterborough or Cambridge services that run through the core. A significant proportion of the journeys are between London and Steveage or Hitchin where journey times are typically 25-30 minutes.
But a 'class365s style interior' does not provide the capacity required for trains running through the core.
It could if it was done properly. Note I said style, not an exact copy of it. These trains will spend the majority of their time outside the core and their interior needs to be sympathetic to this too.
It could if it was done properly. Note I said style, not an exact copy of it. These trains will spend the majority of their time outside the core and their interior needs to be sympathetic to this too.
This point about the centre seat rarely getting used is total rubbish. It may be the case on Thameslink but certainly isn’t on great northern.2) provide maximum seating, which means 2+3 seats leaving a very cramped centre aisle. Also, the centre seats of the three are rarely fully occupied. So this solution gives less effective seating capapcity, very constrained standing room and virtually no opportunity for passengers to move along the train to reduce stress points during crush loading.
On the GN routes, passenger numbers may not yet be quite up to MML levels, but some here have posted about large scale housing develeoment along the lines that can only drive numbers up to those levels. Plus the need to have a common rolling stock design that is adequate for intense operation in the core.
Both Welwyn Garden City and Hatfield see reductions in their service as well.Welwyn Garden City is about to get 1400 flats built next to the station. Yes, 1400. Sold almost exclusively to commuters I'd imagine. Even any affordable/social housing will likely be sublet (legally or not) as has happened elsewhere.
Knebworth is also getting three new developments next to the station, and no doubt countless more. Hatfield is also due to get its own fair share of new developments in the coming years.
This point about the centre seat rarely getting used is total rubbish. It may be the case on Thameslink but certainly isn’t on great northern.
Go on any 313 operated service in the peak and every seat is taken including the centre one. Same was true when the 317s and 321s operated the route. Please don’t spout such nonsense about it rarely getting used. ...
... Extra space is a valid argument for going 2+2. The seat is rarely used when clear evidence can prove this is not true isn’t. If you don’t believe me travel on them.
As for the 700s I thought the biggest criticism of the seats was the cabling duct. Surely if the seats had a bit more space to the windows that would be solved and knees wouldn’t be in the gangway? No reduction in capacity but more comfortable for those lucky enough to get a seat.
They are suitable for an average journey time of about 30 minutes. For example, Bedford to St Pancras is about an hour on Thameslink but the average journey time on trains running those services is about half of that. The same will be true for Peterborough or Cambridge services that run through the core. A significant proportion of the journeys are between London and Steveage or Hitchin where journey times are typically 25-30 minutes.
I might agree about the ducting (which I suspect is structural in conjunction with the cantilevered seat design), could be inconvenient but to start redesigning the interior for such a small issue would be a recipe for disaster.
The ducting isn't a small issue but a major inconvenience for anyone sat on the inside seats, as it means you cannot sit straight, and frankly whoever signed it off should be banned from ever being involved in any aspect of design work.
Perhaps the designers just thought that as many other Desiro UK EMUs have run around with similar ducting since introduction there was nothing to consider?From the devils advocate point of view. I wonder if this was fed back and ignored on the mock up, or if people trying it out didnt comment as 2 minutes test a station is different to a long journey.
Perhaps the designers just thought that as many other Desiro UK EMUs have run around with similar ducting since introduction there was nothing to consider?
Both Welwyn Garden City and Hatfield see reductions in their service as well.
Slower. (Fastest service now 20 minutes, come 2018 it will be 31)
Less seats
Delay to any benefits at all of the core (if they ever happen).
Not much to look forward to for some of the busiest stations on the line.
Would it be possible to be clear what this actually means as reading this thread its quite ambiguous what has been delayed and what has not.
e.g. is there a final May 2018 timetable yet agreed for GN for stations south of Stevenage?
Moreover what services will stop at Finsbury Park post May 2018 as that surely gives a gateway to the core for passengers between WGC and New Southgate. Losing the fast from WGC might impact the WGC passengers but for Hatfield and Potters Bar we don't have that luxury right now so avoiding KGX would be a bonus.
Where can I find the most accurate source on information for upcoming May 2018 changes? Where else are people getting information from if it isn't yet fact?
Thanks but these timetables are confusing and wrong then as the MDE Services are still listed as running through the core.
So what is listed isn't right either way.
I would tolerate a change at Finsbury Park if there as a frequent stopping pattern from the some of the longer distance routes as this negates the need to change and walk from KGX over to STP.
Personally not noticed the issue myself, BUT most my journeys are just 10 minutes long and London to Gatwick off peak at back of the train.
Yes there were posted in earlier post.Since it appears that most of the discussion above is 700 opinions, again...
Has anybody posted diagrams for Peterborough weekday departures? I’m interested in knowing what the 07:46 is booked as.
Yes there were posted in earlier post.
The diagrams will change on 12th February when some 8 cars will be introduced.. An extra 12 car is likely to be added before then too. As usual dates subject to change etc. etc.Thank you. If I am reading this correctly, the 07:33 is a 700. Pity that the 07:56 catches up to it at KGX anyway.
The diagrams will change on 12th February when some 8 cars will be introduced.. An extra 12 car is likely to be added before then too. As usual dates subject to change etc. etc.