Class 365s to Scotrail

[92002]

Was in Queen Street last Wednesday when a pair of 365s failed for the 1230 to Edinburgh.

No attempt made to replace the units and the train was cancelled.

 

[The_Engineer]

I have worked on the Class 365s for a while now and they don’t seem the most reliable of trains. Would be surprised if Scotrail took the option to keep these trains now that the 385s are starting to come one board more.

They have been leased for one year. I am sure they will go back then.

 

[Stopper]

The 365s seem to fail regularly up here. I prefer the 38x units, I’m looking forward to more 385s arriving.

 

[Far north 37]

Was in Queen Street last Wednesday when a pair of 365s failed for the 1230 to Edinburgh.

No attempt made to replace the units and the train was cancelled.

How do you no for certain no attempt was made to replace them most likely no spare units were available.

 

[youngac]

Managing to find a replacement train for a Queen Street - Edinburgh service without having a cancellation seems impossible considering the short turnaround time the unit has at each terminus station.

 

[route101]

The 365s seem to fail regularly up here. I prefer the 38x units, I’m looking forward to more 385s arriving.

Beg to differ but on seating layout i prefer the 365s . Not to say that 385s and 380s are bad trains in any way.

 

[Stopper]

Beg to differ but on seating layout i prefer the 365s . Not to say that 385s and 380s are bad trains in any way.

I can’t comment as much as in the morning and evening peak, I usually don’t get a seat on the E-G services, but the 365s feel much more cramped standing than the 380s or 385s. I’ve sat on all 3 at the weekends and I’m not a fan of any of the seats.

 

[jon0844]

The 365s seem to fail regularly up here. I prefer the 38x units, I’m looking forward to more 385s arriving.

What are the problems?

 

[43096]

What are the problems?

Lack of familiarity, I would think. Fundamentally they are a good, reliable train - as has been demonstrated for many years out of King’s Cross.

 

[jon0844]

I was curious because GTR seem to have had some odd problems of late, such as issues with getting power or the headlights not working properly. Possibly also air conditioning issues in the cab in the hot weather too.

And the doors can still stick and not lock properly and have to be manually locked out.

Lovely trains and a favourite for many, but they probably need a bit more TLC than they've had given their age.

 

[Team Defect]

I was curious because GTR seem to have had some odd problems of late, such as issues with getting power or the headlights not working properly. Possibly also air conditioning issues in the cab in the hot weather too.

And the doors can still stick and not lock properly and have to be manually locked out.

Lovely trains and a favourite for many, but they probably need a bit more TLC than they've had given their age.

The 365 cab cooling system has always been a problem. Is not the best design. Not sure about the other GN problems you mention. Currently the GN 365s are being very reliable. Speaking to my friends at Scotrail, it would appear that they have just been unlucky. They have had a few aux converter and compressor issues. Luckily they have been able to phone a friend at Hornsey for some 365 technical advise!!

 

[Mingulay]

The 365 cab cooling system has always been a problem. Is not the best design. Not sure about the other GN problems you mention. Currently the GN 365s are being very reliable. Speaking to my friends at Scotrail, it would appear that they have just been unlucky. They have had a few aux converter and compressor issues. Luckily they have been able to phone a friend at Hornsey for some 365 technical advise!!

I have only been on a 365 once. Seems an airy decent train with leg room. Perfectly happy to use them on my DUNBLANE EDINBURGH daily commute soon as pos. Given they are 4 carriage then more seats too.
I assume now we are in autumn the cab cooling is less of an issue and they only have to get us thru the winter till the lease ends? So not a problem? Unless of course we find out they are “Southern Softies” and can’t cope with the rigors of a Scottish winter !! Which begs the question how the 385s deal with sub zero temps. Like cars are they tested in sub zero temps?

 

[Mulson]

Trains don't tend to fail due to sub-zero temps. Signalling issues and safety due to ice accumulation on infrastructure would be the main causes of delays/cancellations in sub-zero temps.

 

[Mingulay]

Trains don't tend to fail due to sub-zero temps. Signalling issues and safety due to ice accumulation on infrastructure would be the main causes of delays/cancellations in sub-zero temps.

Thanks . But given we suffer from icebox interiors in some winter mornings this year with units with no functioning heating, in the main 158s, I hope the new trains have heating and cooling that is controllable for all seasons .

 

[Team Defect]

Just seen the reliability figures for the Hornsey GN 365s. 142k miles per casualty!! 365 are reliable units. Why did GN ever let half of them go!?!

Apparently resent failures on the Scotrail 365 were due to wiper issues. Ok it rains more in Scotland but the 365 wipers usually work ok. Sometimes the wipers don't turn off, but this just means the driver has to trip the MCB behind him to get them to stop.

 

[scotraildriver]

At least one of them the wiper just went flying off the side of the windscreen never to be seen again...... it's like there is too much air pressure.

 

[Failed Unit]

Just seen the reliability figures for the Hornsey GN 365s. 142k miles per casualty!! 365 are reliable units. Why did GN ever let half of them go!?!

Apparently resent failures on the Scotrail 365 were due to wiper issues. Ok it rains more in Scotland but the 365 wipers usually work ok. Sometimes the wipers don't turn off, but this just means the driver has to trip the MCB behind him to get them to stop.

The view that anything new is better

Saying that we never experienced that level down here when they were in squadran service. The ones that are left do not work as intensively now so get more TLC.

 

[bramling]

Thanks . But given we suffer from icebox interiors in some winter mornings this year with units with no functioning heating, in the main 158s, I hope the new trains have heating and cooling that is controllable for all seasons .

You certainly won’t be cold on the 365s in winter. The heating is extremely effective, and generally reliable.

 

[Team Defect]

At least one of them the wiper just went flying off the side of the windscreen never to be seen again...... it's like there is too much air pressure.

Air pressure - Not a problem on GN and same line speed. Sounds like a maintenance issue to me. The wiper arm must have come loose for it to fall off, which should have been addressed on exam at Shields depot.

 

[Hadders]

You certainly won’t be cold on the 365s in winter. The heating is extremely effective, and generally reliable.

Agreed. Not unusual to have the windows open on the 365s in winter for some fresh air without being cold!

 

[scotraildriver]

Probably. One issue is that due to elf and safety we can no longer examine/change wiper blades at Eastfield/Queen St/Edinburgh meaning even a simple wiper fault means a faff around getting a train to Shields and then back again. The fitters used to have a platform thingy that went in front of the train but apparently that's not allowed now. The 170s sometimes have similar issues.

 

[Team Defect]

More problems with 385s again! Problems with brakes this time, the last thing you want to have issues with!! There are 9 more 365s in storage if Scotrail want them!!!

 

[gingertom]

More problems with 385s again! Problems with brakes this time, the last thing you want to have issues with!! There are 9 more 365s in storage if Scotrail want them!!!

am sure Scotrail will have made discrete enquiries, just in case the brake fix takes a long time. What with Stirling/Dunblane/Alloa and Shotts going live soon we need trains to run.

 

[AlistairCowell]

Might have to stick with Class 158 and 170s for a while longer, as well as the possibility of overcrowded trains.

 

[Stopper]

Class 365s have failed a lot too. With them set to run the Edinburgh to Dunblane services by December, this is all very worrying indeed. The timetable may need to be postponed.

 

[route101]

How do the 365s get to sheilds depot ?

 

[Highlandspring]

Eastfield HS - Springburn - Bellgrove - Queen St LL - Hyndland Loop (pick up route conductor and reverse) - Central LL - Rutherglen West Curve - Shawfield Jn - Larkfield Jn - Shields Jn - Shields No1 line (reverse) - Shields ETD

 

[hexagon789]

Well, I finally managed to try out 365s on the E & G, and purely by chance had 365s both-ways. The acceleration was impressive but not much else sadly, most of the First Class partition doors were jammed open and on the return trip, the first coach I sat in had no working heating. Also the ride wasn't especially great, better than a 380 but lumpy at times, and when setting off the unit seemed to judder as though experiencing wheelspin despite it being a dry and fairly sunny day.

I know they are only here 'til May but they seem in poor nick to me.

 

[djpontrack]

I'm visiting Glasgow on Saturday 27th October and will be getting a Glasgow roundabout ticket. Are there any services that are class 365 operated that my ticket will be valid on? Thanks.

 

[hexagon789]

I'm visiting Glasgow on Saturday 27th October and will be getting a Glasgow roundabout ticket. Are there any services that are class 365 operated that my ticket will be valid on? Thanks.

I believe it's valid to Croy, so you could get an Edinburgh to Glasgow shuttle to Croy if a 365 worked it, currently an 8-car 365 set seems to be operating the XX:30 departures from each end which are non-stop Glasgow Queen Street to Croy. A short trip admittedly, but about the only way I can think of getting a 365 on a roundabout ticket.