11 car Pendos Update

dave87016 · 19 Sep 2012

Pendos 026 and 053 have now been extended to 11 car sets and thus renumbered 126 and 153 respectively. so the list as of today ( 19th September ) is

107/112/114/117/118/119/122/124/125/126/127/128/129/130/131/134/136/137/141/148/151/153/154/155/156/157

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MCR247 · 19 Sep 2012

Can't be many more left?

sprinterguy · 19 Sep 2012

MCR247 said:
Can't be many more left?

Another nine sets to go.

MCR247 · 19 Sep 2012

Ah right. Do they all get done Lonsight?

bescotyard · 21 Sep 2012

Currently being reported (21/9/12 am) on Yahoo groups... Colas hauled 6x39 northbound with 8 new pendolino coaches from Dollands Moor to Longsight.

dave87016 · 6 Oct 2012

003 is now a 11 car set and renumbered 103 and the next two sets to be extended to 11 car sets are 021 and 032 and will be renumbered 121 and 132 respectively
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on the subject of pendolinos I travelled on the 05:33am Preston - Euston yesterday ( Friday) on 390157 and it was named "Chad Varah" on Thursday morning at Euston

158722 · 6 Oct 2012

So latest list is as follows?

103/107/112/114/117/118/119/121/122/124/125/126/127/128/129/130/131/132/134/136/137/141/148/151/153/154/155/156/157

5 left to go?

ValleyLines142 · 7 Oct 2012

May I ask, how can there be five left? From that list, it states that 001, 002, 004, 005, 006, 008, 009, 010, 011, 013, 015, 016, 020, 023, 035, 038, 039, 040, 042, 043, 044, 045, 046, 047, 049, 050 and 052 are still to be extended, or are not all sets being altered? If so I do apologise.

12CSVT · 9 Oct 2012

DanTrainMan185 said:
May I ask, how can there be five left? From that list, it states that 001, 002, 004, 005, 006, 008, 009, 010, 011, 013, 015, 016, 020, 023, 035, 038, 039, 040, 042, 043, 044, 045, 046, 047, 049, 050 and 052 are still to be extended, or are not all sets being altered? If so I do apologise.

31 units are being extended. 21 units stay as 9 car.

ainsworth74 · 9 Oct 2012

12CSVT said:
31 units are being extended. 21 units stay as 9 car.

Unfortunately

I really think that the whole fleet should have been extended, I'm a but surprised that neither Virgin nor First seemed to have that as part of their bids.

12CSVT · 9 Oct 2012

ainsworth74 said:
Unfortunately I really think that the whole fleet should have been extended, I'm a but surprised that neither Virgin nor First seemed to have that as part of their bids.

The vast majority of people will no doubt agree with you, but those in charge of the railways don't always use common sense.

455driver · 16 Oct 2012

12CSVT said:
The vast majority of people will no doubt agree with you, but those in charge of the railways don't always use common sense.

The people in charge of the railways DO agree with you, but DaFT dont, there is the problem.
No forward planning for the increase in ridership on the WCML that will no doubt take the DaFT by surprise and we (the taxpayer) will have to pay for another expensive procurement process to fix a problem which was easily preventable with a bit of foresight by the bean-counters at the DaFT.
But then as long as the budget is sorted for this year never mind the costs of correcting the short term ideology in the future.

Techniquest · 21 Oct 2012

I guess we don't know which ones aren't being extended then yet?

james37672 · 2 Nov 2012

390123 390135 390138 390142 now 11 car. James

Peter Sarf · 6 Nov 2012

So I make that, 33 currently 11 car :-

Converted from 9-car to 11-car :-
390103, 107,
112, 114, 117, 118, 119,
121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129,
130, 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138,
141, 142, 148,
151, 153.

Plus delivered as 11-car :-
390154, 155, 156, 157.

So two more left to convert to make 31 converted and 21 remaining unconverted out of the original 390001-053. Remember 390033 is written off (CORRECTED as I originally thought it was 31).

Has anyone seen/know of a list showing what was delivered and what unit they ended up with. I ask because the delivery numbers bore no relation to the units thay actually ended up in. As far as I can tell the coaches have been re-numbered.

Peter Mugridge · 6 Nov 2012

Remember 390031(?) is written off.

390 033 is the write off.

Techniquest · 7 Nov 2012

Peter Sarf said:
As far as I can tell the coaches have been re-numbered.

Memory tells me from something I saw in The Railway Magazine a while ago that the coaches weren't numbered until they were inserted into a 390.

On a more personal note, I wonder if 390103 will be my last 390/1 to see, purely because it was my last 390 to see the first time as 390003. Wouldn't surprise me if it was!

Oh, and I'm sure 154 - 157 were only numbered as such after acceptance, having been numbered as /0s previously.

MCR247 · 7 Nov 2012

390033 City of Glasgow is written off

sprinterguy · 7 Nov 2012

Techniquest said:
Memory tells me from something I saw in The Railway Magazine a while ago that the coaches weren't numbered until they were inserted into a 390.

No, Peter Sarf is correct. The new Pendolino carriages were temporarily numbered sequentially in the order that they came across for the trip from Italy, and they were then renumbered at Longsight to match the set that they were inserted into.

Techniquest · 8 Nov 2012

Oh right, fair enough then in that case!

Stonesourscotty · 9 Nov 2012

Can none of the coaches from the city of Glasgow Train be Salvaged? i thought 4 where used as a fire brigade test site?

SprinterMan · 9 Nov 2012

Peter Sarf said:
So I make that, 33 currently 11 car :-

Converted from 9-car to 11-car :-
390103, 107,
112, 114, 117, 118, 119,
121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129,
130, 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138,
141, 142, 148,
151, 153.

Plus delivered as 11-car :-
390154, 155, 156, 157.

So two more left to convert to make 31 converted and 21 remaining unconverted out of the original 390001-053. Remember 390031(?) is written off.

Has anyone seen/know of a list showing what was delivered and what unit they ended up with. I ask because the delivery numbers bore no relation to the units thay actually ended up in. As far as I can tell the coaches have been re-numbered.

It was 390033 that was written off at Grayrigg.

Stonesourscotty said:
Can none of the coaches from the city of Glasgow Train be Salvaged? i thought 4 where used as a fire brigade test site?

They could be, but to make sure they were structurally sound they would basically need to be completely taken apart so it is in fact easier and cheaper just to build new coaches.

Adam

ainsworth74 · 9 Nov 2012

Stonesourscotty said:
Can none of the coaches from the city of Glasgow Train be Salvaged? i thought 4 where used as a fire brigade test site?

There being used as training vehicles for VT staff I seem to recall, there's a google earth image of them in a field out the back of a VT office somewhere or other.

Simon11 · 9 Nov 2012

The training vehicles are at the virgin trains hr building in crewe.

ainsworth74 · 9 Nov 2012

Yup that's where I meant, thanks

sprinterguy · 9 Nov 2012

ainsworth74 said:
There being used as training vehicles for VT staff I seem to recall, there's a google earth image of them in a field out the back of a VT office somewhere or other.

Two carriages from 390033 are used for staff training at Virgin's Academy in Crewe - The first class driving car and the standard class pantograph car. A further two carriages, both first class vehicles, are in store at Long Marston, awaiting disposal, and another two, a motor first and a motor standard, are used for training exercises at the Fire Training College at Moreton in Marsh.

The remaining three carriages of 390033 have been scrapped.

Pumbaa · 9 Nov 2012

The Crewe Academy ones will also be disposed of shortly.

sdrennan · 13 Nov 2012

Once the 11 car upgrade is complete do we know if they will have 11 car sets on specific diagrams. It will stop me guessing at Glasgow whether I should walk further up the platform to be nearer the front of standard

The 39 Steps · 13 Nov 2012

Set 42 has had the H3 overhaul but has been released back into service as a nine car. It's first revenue earning service is today's (13th November 2012) 1R07 0533 Preston to Euston. It is thought that the 32nd in the list for H3 overhaul will replace it as an eleven car, set 42 will not be recalled for lengthening. There was some problem regarding parts on the two vehicles which were due to convert set 42 from nine to eleven cars.

sprinterguy · 13 Nov 2012

At least one fault has already manifested itself on one of the new Pendolino carriages: Coach U on set 390141 had one manually operated external door this morning - The door opening mechanism wasn't working!
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sdrennan said:
Once the 11 car upgrade is complete do we know if they will have 11 car sets on specific diagrams. It will stop me guessing at Glasgow whether I should walk further up the platform to be nearer the front of standard

Technically the 11-car sets have had booked diagrams throughout the lengthening programme, although these have been in a state of perpetual limbo and have changed on a weekly basis to reflect the increasing number of sets that have been lengthened, in order to (presumably) match the longer trains to demand. Plus of course as soon as diagrams get stepped up at Euston, as they often seem to do, then it all goes to pot.

I should think that once the lengthening programme is complete then the diagrams for 11-car sets should be quite fixed.

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