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May 2014 timetable changes
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Once the Ordsall Chord opens it was expected for Stalybridge to have 2tph to Piccadilly in the form of the half-hourly Piccadilly-Leeds semi-fasts stopping at Stalybridge. However, the Victoria-Huddersfield stopper would go and the remaining TPE services to/from Victoria would not call at Stalybridge. TfGM envisaged extending another local service from Victoria to Stalybridge so that Stalybridge would have an additional service when the changes took place so they are now claiming Stalybridge is getting that extra service 2 years ahead of schedule, with the Hull-Piccadilly service calling at Stalybridge from May.
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perhaps I am not an idiot then!
Agreed, what's the matter with the proposals? 4tph is good enough, remember there's places in the UK with far less services
My local station St Denys must be the top one for bad timing. Two trains an hour to Southampton at xx30 and xx31! Also the connections at both Central and Parkway from the trains that do run are about the worst possible.
Granted it too is not "the centre of the universe" but it would be nice to see a more even interval service: often it's quicker for me to walk to Central or Parkway, particularly if getting the Southern services east or the London trains.
It's also a rare place (Beaulieu Road being another local example) where the Sunday service is much better than the Mon-Sat, as on Sundays the trains are evenly spaced.
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Advance fares are normally available about 12 working weeks ahead, this is also about the same time as the timetable is confirmed, and this is also the case for the seasonal changes, i.e. the May and December alterations.
Swaythling (my local station) one stop down the SWML has only one an hour, but even that is a positively excellent service (especially since it doesn't drop off massively on a Sunday) in comparison with places further from London.
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Well in Brighouse on Sunday's we still get the crap 2 hourly service that's been in use for the past fourteen years from the 28th May.
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I should think the timetables will be a bit improvised until the wires at Stalybridge go live in 2016.
You will then probably have a wider choice of electric destination westwards and hopefully better and more plentiful stock.
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Just a thought is Wigan Wallgate getting the sparks treatment too? As the May 2014 timetable shows the journeys that would run to Man Vic from Huddersfield have been extended to Wigan Wallgate.
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I was told by those close they havent decided yet, the portal below the street would be a large additional cost as opposed to North Western where the platforms are already wired.
Operationally though would make sense to do Wallgate and its sidings as stock is stored there between peaks.
Operationally though would make sense to do Wallgate and its sidings as stock is stored there between peaks.
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Can trains coming from Westhoughton access Platforms 2 and 3 at Wigan North Western or is it only Platform 1 they can reach directly?
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You can access platforms 1, 2 and 3 ex-Hindley. The peak Northern services to Man Vic are booked to use p2.
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Post no: 7 from http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93825 thread
According to Open Trains website, the Sunday service will run through Glasgow Queen Street low level to Partick on an hourly frequency.
http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/SPR/2014-05-25/1047
According to Open Trains website, the Sunday service will run through Glasgow Queen Street low level to Partick on an hourly frequency.
http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/SPR/2014-05-25/1047
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Thats interesting. It means for the December 2017 timetable change Manchester to Wigan (via Bolton) services should be run to North Western and in to a bay platform presuming Platforms 2 and 3 are long enough to accommodate a Class 319.
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The 20.30 seems to be missing as well.
I see that Liverpool-Man Vic services will no longer continue through to Stalybridge or Huddersfield. Does this mean that Lime Street crews will no longer have these on their route cards? As things are at the moment, Lime Street do quite a few turns through to Stalybridge, although I think there is only about one duty that goes through to Huddersfield, certainly as far as the guards are concerned.
It also looks like the Wigan - Lime Street services will no longer be interworking with the Man Vic/ Warrington BQ services as they do at present.
It also looks like the Wigan - Lime Street services will no longer be interworking with the Man Vic/ Warrington BQ services as they do at present.
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Changes are being made in preparation for electrification.
I think it's more of a case of changes coinciding with the new Liverpool-Newcastle via Chat Moss service. Northern aren't expecting to switch the Liverpool to Wigan/Victoria services to EMUs until May 2015 despite the wires being ready this autumn due to problems in getting cascaded EMUs. They're expecting to get 5 x 319s in the autumn which will allow Liverpool-Manchester Airport services to switch to EMU from December 2014.
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For those who prefer Real Time Trains, the new timetable are now starting to appear on the website
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Correct, two car only, B indicator received on the theatre.
The service from York to Scarborough will now run later than I can ever recall, with a 22.42 service from York to Scarborough, arriving at 23.31.
Current last train is 22.10, arriving at 22.59.
It doesn't facilitate a later departure from London KX, though.
Current last train is 22.10, arriving at 22.59.
It doesn't facilitate a later departure from London KX, though.
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Some service that appeared to be missing have now appeared including a 23:00 London Euston-Manchester Piccadilly and 18:30/19:30 Piccadilly-South Wales services
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Because the finalised timetable normally appears in the database 12 weeks in advance, so that for example Advance tickets can be sold etc etc. Because engineering work takes place at weekends, the weekend timetables are usually last to be confirmed, but they should still be available at 'T-12' weeks. But 12 weeks is a minimum, and although the NRES journey planner chooses not to display anything more than about 12 weeks hence, that doesn't mean the info isn't there for third parties such as RTT and OTT to make use of.
However TOCs don't issue timetable publicity, such as leaflets, until much later, usually within 4 weeks of the change, and then only on request, because they believe having both sets of info available to the public can cause mistakes.
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Ahh thank you. I understand now. What date is the main change?
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May 18th this year for what is usually referred to as the 'summer' timetable. I think it is usually the nearest Sunday to the middle of the month.
But officially this is only what they call the 'subsidiary change', the December change is the main annual change, by agreement with the EU. As far as a normal passenger is concerned there is little or no difference.
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Sits at Carstairs for a while according to Realtime Trains as an unadvertised stop.
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1K01 1133 London Euston to Crewe
1A91 1517 Crewe to London Euston
Oh my god, it actually happened!
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Being shown as Q Paths currently so may never run.
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Now departs 23:00 Monday to Friday. Monday Only doesn't call at Nuneaton hopefully someone told LM to leave the station open the rest of ther week to enable the punters to leave this time.
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SprinterMan
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The post you are responding to is several months old, and was correct at the time :P
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Bizarrely the 1 tph on a Sunday from Victoria to Hebden becomes a fast service including Sunday evenings! It seems that Mon->Sat evening services are 1tph all stations to Leeds and 1tph to Todmorden (not calling at Moston or Walsden), while on Sundays its 1tph to Leeds (calling at Rochdale and Littleborough and stations from Tod) and 1tph all stations to Tod.
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