May 2014 timetable changes

[MidnightFlyer]

Ignore

 

[northwichcat]

The point is more the proximity of the services to each other - eight minutes between an empty shuttle to Victoria and a full TPE to Piccadilly, neither going any further. There is no use at all in the ex-Hull train stopping unless someone really needs to go to Piccadilly instead of Victoria, or someone gets off the TPE - and as it is, nobody does as it currently doesn't stop!

Once the Ordsall Chord opens it was expected for Stalybridge to have 2tph to Piccadilly in the form of the half-hourly Piccadilly-Leeds semi-fasts stopping at Stalybridge. However, the Victoria-Huddersfield stopper would go and the remaining TPE services to/from Victoria would not call at Stalybridge. TfGM envisaged extending another local service from Victoria to Stalybridge so that Stalybridge would have an additional service when the changes took place so they are now claiming Stalybridge is getting that extra service 2 years ahead of schedule, with the Hull-Piccadilly service calling at Stalybridge from May.

 

[tractakid]

I cant see them either now

perhaps I am not an idiot then!

 

[nw1]

Agreed, what's the matter with the proposals? 4tph is good enough, remember there's places in the UK with far less services

My local station St Denys must be the top one for bad timing. Two trains an hour to Southampton at xx30 and xx31! Also the connections at both Central and Parkway from the trains that do run are about the worst possible.

Granted it too is not "the centre of the universe" but it would be nice to see a more even interval service: often it's quicker for me to walk to Central or Parkway, particularly if getting the Southern services east or the London trains.

It's also a rare place (Beaulieu Road being another local example) where the Sunday service is much better than the Mon-Sat, as on Sundays the trains are evenly spaced.

 

[charlee]

When are May timetables normally released? I need to book trains for weekend of May 17th. Hoping to get some cheap advanced fares.

 

[swt_passenger]

When are May timetables normally released? I need to book trains for weekend of May 17th. Hoping to get some cheap advanced fares.

Advance fares are normally available about 12 working weeks ahead, this is also about the same time as the timetable is confirmed, and this is also the case for the seasonal changes, i.e. the May and December alterations.

 

[Muzer]

My local station St Denys must be the top one for bad timing. Two trains an hour to Southampton at xx30 and xx31! Also the connections at both Central and Parkway from the trains that do run are about the worst possible.

Granted it too is not "the centre of the universe" but it would be nice to see a more even interval service: often it's quicker for me to walk to Central or Parkway, particularly if getting the Southern services east or the London trains.

It's also a rare place (Beaulieu Road being another local example) where the Sunday service is much better than the Mon-Sat, as on Sundays the trains are evenly spaced.

Swaythling (my local station) one stop down the SWML has only one an hour, but even that is a positively excellent service (especially since it doesn't drop off massively on a Sunday) in comparison with places further from London.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Well in Brighouse on Sunday's we still get the crap 2 hourly service that's been in use for the past fourteen years from the 28th May.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Who is it that keeps making us these useless timetables?

I should think the timetables will be a bit improvised until the wires at Stalybridge go live in 2016.
You will then probably have a wider choice of electric destination westwards and hopefully better and more plentiful stock.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Just a thought is Wigan Wallgate getting the sparks treatment too? As the May 2014 timetable shows the journeys that would run to Man Vic from Huddersfield have been extended to Wigan Wallgate.

 

[WatcherZero]

I was told by those close they havent decided yet, the portal below the street would be a large additional cost as opposed to North Western where the platforms are already wired.

Operationally though would make sense to do Wallgate and its sidings as stock is stored there between peaks.

 

[thealexweb]

I was told by those close they havent decided yet, the portal below the street would be a large additional cost as opposed to North Western where the platforms are already wired.

Operationally though would make sense to do Wallgate and its sidings as stock is stored there between peaks.

Can trains coming from Westhoughton access Platforms 2 and 3 at Wigan North Western or is it only Platform 1 they can reach directly?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Can trains coming from Westhoughton access Platforms 2 and 3 at Wigan North Western or is it only Platform 1 they can reach directly?

You can access platforms 1, 2 and 3 ex-Hindley. The peak Northern services to Man Vic are booked to use p2.

 

[adrock1976]

Post no: 7 from http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93825 thread

A pity it is not continuing onwards to Edinburgh via the northern section of the Caledonian main line and Falkirk Grahamston. This would provide a handy alternative route to Falkirk High when that route is closed.

One thing is not clear yet in regards of electrification of the (what's it called?) Cumbernauld line. There is presently no Sunday service to Springburn via Glasgow Queen Street low level and Bellgrove (possibly with the exception of Sundays in December up to the one before the 25th), but there is one train per hour on Sundays that runs from Queen Street high level to Cumbernauld all year round. Would the Sunday service after electrification just be a Springburn - Cumbernauld shuttle using electric trains, a diesel service Queen Street high level to Cumbernauld as per the present case, or an electric service Cumbernauld to either Milngavie, Dalmuir, or Balloch Central?


In peace

Adam

According to Open Trains website, the Sunday service will run through Glasgow Queen Street low level to Partick on an hourly frequency.

http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/SPR/2014-05-25/1047

 

[thealexweb]

You can access platforms 1, 2 and 3 ex-Hindley. The peak Northern services to Man Vic are booked to use p2.

Thats interesting. It means for the December 2017 timetable change Manchester to Wigan (via Bolton) services should be run to North Western and in to a bay platform presuming Platforms 2 and 3 are long enough to accommodate a Class 319.

 

[mr williams]

The 17:30 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff isn't shown, neither is the 19:30 departure from Manchester.

The 20.30 seems to be missing as well.

 

[Railgal]

I see that Liverpool-Man Vic services will no longer continue through to Stalybridge or Huddersfield. Does this mean that Lime Street crews will no longer have these on their route cards? As things are at the moment, Lime Street do quite a few turns through to Stalybridge, although I think there is only about one duty that goes through to Huddersfield, certainly as far as the guards are concerned.

It also looks like the Wigan - Lime Street services will no longer be interworking with the Man Vic/ Warrington BQ services as they do at present.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Changes are being made in preparation for electrification.

 

[northwichcat]

Changes are being made in preparation for electrification.

I think it's more of a case of changes coinciding with the new Liverpool-Newcastle via Chat Moss service. Northern aren't expecting to switch the Liverpool to Wigan/Victoria services to EMUs until May 2015 despite the wires being ready this autumn due to problems in getting cascaded EMUs. They're expecting to get 5 x 319s in the autumn which will allow Liverpool-Manchester Airport services to switch to EMU from December 2014.

 

[Thomas6187]

For those who prefer Real Time Trains, the new timetable are now starting to appear on the website

 

[bunnahabhain]

The last time an EMT 4 car set ended up in platform 2c as a result of an error it resulted in a 40 minute delay while all the passengers were detrained through a local door and the set had to be shunted back out to platform 1. Strictly 2 car only I believe.

Correct, two car only, B indicator received on the theatre.

 

[scarby]

The service from York to Scarborough will now run later than I can ever recall, with a 22.42 service from York to Scarborough, arriving at 23.31.

Current last train is 22.10, arriving at 22.59.

It doesn't facilitate a later departure from London KX, though.

 

[Thomas6187]

Some service that appeared to be missing have now appeared including a 23:00 London Euston-Manchester Piccadilly and 18:30/19:30 Piccadilly-South Wales services

 

[MartinsR]

How do these times appear anyway if the toc ain't released them?

 

[swt_passenger]

How do these times appear anyway if the toc ain't released them?

Because the finalised timetable normally appears in the database 12 weeks in advance, so that for example Advance tickets can be sold etc etc. Because engineering work takes place at weekends, the weekend timetables are usually last to be confirmed, but they should still be available at 'T-12' weeks. But 12 weeks is a minimum, and although the NRES journey planner chooses not to display anything more than about 12 weeks hence, that doesn't mean the info isn't there for third parties such as RTT and OTT to make use of.

However TOCs don't issue timetable publicity, such as leaflets, until much later, usually within 4 weeks of the change, and then only on request, because they believe having both sets of info available to the public can cause mistakes.

 

[MartinsR]

Because the finalised timetable normally appears in the database 12 weeks in advance, so that for example Advance tickets can be sold etc etc. Because engineering work takes place at weekends, the weekend timetables are usually last to be confirmed, but they should still be available at 'T-12' weeks. But 12 weeks is a minimum, and although the NRES journey planner chooses not to display anything more than about 12 weeks hence, that doesn't mean the info isn't there for third parties such as RTT and OTT to make use of.

However TOCs don't issue timetable publicity, such as leaflets, until much later, usually within 4 weeks of the change, and then only on request, because they believe having both sets of info available to the public can cause mistakes.

Ahh thank you. I understand now. What date is the main change?

 

[swt_passenger]

Ahh thank you. I understand now. What date is the main change?

May 18th this year for what is usually referred to as the 'summer' timetable. I think it is usually the nearest Sunday to the middle of the month.

But officially this is only what they call the 'subsidiary change', the December change is the main annual change, by agreement with the EU. As far as a normal passenger is concerned there is little or no difference.

 

[Class 170101]

This ones a bit slow from Glasgow to leaving Carlisle!

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/G34265/2014-05-19

Does give Lockerbie its earliest departure for a number of years.

Sits at Carstairs for a while according to Realtime Trains as an unadvertised stop.
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1K01 1133 London Euston to Crewe
1A91 1517 Crewe to London Euston

Oh my god, it actually happened!

Adam

Being shown as Q Paths currently so may never run.
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It appears that the 2250 Euston to Man Pic will no longer be running after the May timetable change..

Now departs 23:00 Monday to Friday. Monday Only doesn't call at Nuneaton hopefully someone told LM to leave the station open the rest of ther week to enable the punters to leave this time.

 

[SprinterMan]

Being shown as Q Paths currently so may never run.

The post you are responding to is several months old, and was correct at the time :P

Adam

 

[Hebden Bridger]

I also note, annoyingly, that Northern haven't taken the opportunity to provide a better evening service on the Calder Valley. If you travel from Hebden Bridge to Manchester you now have 2 fast trains per hour and 1 slow during the day. In the evening you only have 1 slow train an hour back, which makes it really unappealing. At least speed it up and make it slightly more attractive by missing out Moston, Mills Hill and Castleton! One of the reasons I mainly drive into Manchester when I could catch the train - I can't stand the one train per hour tedious all stations journey home!

Bizarrely the 1 tph on a Sunday from Victoria to Hebden becomes a fast service including Sunday evenings! It seems that Mon->Sat evening services are 1tph all stations to Leeds and 1tph to Todmorden (not calling at Moston or Walsden), while on Sundays its 1tph to Leeds (calling at Rochdale and Littleborough and stations from Tod) and 1tph all stations to Tod.