Baroness Thatcher has died

[DarloRich]

Calling for posters to be banned because they apparently "worship" Margaret Thatcher is rather over the top don't you think.

are you all blind? I suggested I would be banned if i expressed my contempt for them. PLEASE try to read things!

 

[Oswyntail]

His plot to exploit her death for political ratings.

You have absolutely no evidence for saying that, other than cynicism. Besides, "plot" seems to imply some subterfuge or deviousness, neither of which is altogether apparent.

Humour me though, how was it defensible to recall Parliament to wax lyrical about her?.

Well, as a major parliamentary figure, perhaps the major Parliamentary figure of the last half century, it should have been considered. And, given the rancour that was likely to be resurrected by her death, I think it was actually a good thing to give Parliament the opportunity to debate the issues raised. Whether that opportunity was properly taken, I cannot possibly comment.

...Whilst i am sure you in the south did well and benefited from the Thatcherite "reforms" many of us in the north suffered greatly. Many of us continue to suffer, yet we are supposed to simply accept this mutely and move on.

Now, Darlorich, I can feel your passion on this subject, and I do not wish to antagonise you. But I have a point and a question. First, there are great swathes of "The North" that "did well and benefited", chiefly the larger cities and towns, so to imply that it is a NorthvSouth issue is wrong. My question is sincerely meant, and one to which I honestly do not know the answer. How is it that, after thirty years in which potloads of money and support in the shape of enterprise zones and the like have been poured into areas such as South Yorkshire, there is little sign of prosperity. In your words "many of us continue to suffer" - why do you think this is?

 

[Mutant Lemming]

there are great swathes of "The North" that "did well and benefited", chiefly the larger cities and towns, ?

Seems awful then that they should 'repay' all that kindness by eliminating the conservative party from pretty much any large city council in the North.
Some of them (even Liverpool) had conservative councils in the 70's - most of them since Thatcher don't even have a single conservative councillor now.

 

[bnm]

A good day to bury bad news for that awful retailer going by the name of Tesco:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22179255

Flip side to that:

http://newsthump.com/2013/04/17/thatcher-funeral-set-to-become-first-time-mps-bury-good-news/

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Flip side to that:

http://newsthump.com/2013/04/17/thatcher-funeral-set-to-become-first-time-mps-bury-good-news/

What a brilliant site

 

[HST Power]

I have never denied that there are people who are sad at her death for a variety of genuine reasons and I don't doubt there are many who are sad she's died. The media's irresponsibility comes from only reporting photographs of people in tears. Lying by omission is just as serious as lying by changing facts

The whistle blowing, the marches, people turning their backs on the coffin, people burning a coffin in North Yorkshire, a former miner talking about saving a bottle of champagne, Glenda Jackson's rant in Parliament.....all published by the People's News Agency of North Korea sorry I meant BBC.

I'm sorry, but when I first heard that Thatcher had died the first thing I saw being reported in our media were the celebrations. I agree with you in the sense that the media is a very powerful tool, if not somewhat too powerful in cases, but I'm struggling to see your evidence for 'only showing photographs in tears.' Yesterday morning, the simple fact remains that most people on the streets of London were out to pay their respects, not to demonstrate. Nor do I see your issue with the reporting of her death as a whole.

 

[12CSVT]

As for those people in South Yorkshire with the effigy on the bonfire....

Good for them. At least the alternative 'funerals' in South Elmsall and Goldthorpe didn't cost the taxpayer upwards of £ 10 million.

 

[jon0844]

Didn't many towns effectively shut down for the day? How much did that cost the economy?

 

[Oswyntail]

Good for them. At least the alternative 'funerals' in South Elmsall and Goldthorpe didn't cost the taxpayer upwards of £ 10 million.

Ah, the cost is now "upwards of £10 million". Please could you give us a reliable source for this data.

 

[jon0844]

Didn't one paper say it was £40m? I guess it all depends on how much outrage you want to create.

 

[Johnuk123]

Ah, the cost is now "upwards of £10 million". Please could you give us a reliable source for this data.

If the cost is £10m then that equates to 8 hours of our NET payments to Europe.
If Labour are so concerned about wasting money then they could announce an In/Out referendum on Europe if they can win the next election.
Unfortunately this won't happen because they are totally pro Europe on any terms whatsoever just as much as the discredited Liberals and the turncoat Tories.

 

[SS4]

Didn't one paper say it was £40m? I guess it all depends on how much outrage you want to create.

Yeah, it's a sliding scale.

If the cost is £10m then that equates to 8 hours of our NET payments to Europe.
If Labour are so concerned about wasting money then they could announce an In/Out referendum on Europe if they can win the next election.
Unfortunately this won't happen because they are totally pro Europe on any terms whatsoever just as much as the discredited Liberals and the turncoat Tories.

Let's make ourselves more broke by leaving our major trading partner without securing the necessary agreements to join the EEA to satisfy political will. :roll:. A government with balls will stick with Europe however unpopular it may be as it's for the good of the country. Sadly the train of misinformation is arbitrarily against the EU (I hope you all enjoy guaranteed holiday)

 

[overthewater]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/margaret-thatcher-funeral-most-councils-1836579

Did many english councils do the same?

 

[Johnuk123]

Let's make ourselves more broke by leaving our major trading partner without securing the necessary agreements to join the EEA to satisfy political will. :roll:. A government with balls will stick with Europe however unpopular it may be as it's for the good of the country. Sadly the train of misinformation is arbitrarily against the EU (I hope you all enjoy guaranteed holiday)

"Stick with Europe however unpopular it may be" !
What an outstandingly stupid statement.

We only get guaranteed holidays because of the E.U. do we, that's a new one.

As for all the information being anti-EU last year this officially corrupt and undemocratic bunch spent £1.5 billion on promoting ITSELF.
Can you tell me any UK organisation that's countered this with a similar amount because that's what you're implying.

This year the new Museum of Europe is opening to "promote awareness of European identity", it's only cost £84m so far.
I'm sure the Greeks think it's money well spent, I mean they're doing well out of Europe aren't they.

Do you approve of stealing from Cypriot bank accounts to prop up the Euro.

If there was any hint the British public would vote for continuing membership on the present terms we would have had the promised referendum years ago.

 

[Eagle]

If there was any hint the British public would vote for continuing membership on the present terms we would have had the promised referendum years ago.

We did have a referendum on exiting the EC. In 1975. We said no.

 

[Johnuk123]

We did have a referendum on exiting the EC. In 1975. We said no.

All it was then was a trading bloc, a common market nothing else, not a country in all but name like now.

Thanks to various Governments we have sleepwalked into an organisation which is totally consuming and bears no relationship to what it was in 1975.

Are you saying that what happened 38 years ago is now good enough reason to never have one again.

Why are all the Europhiles so terrified of giving the British public a say, if they are so convinced that Europe is so brilliant then let's have a vote.

 

[sheff'd victoria]

Im glad I went to Mrs T funeral yesterday, was more of a history gathering than a funeral, I was stood with some nice people from Louth ( Lincolnshire ), their was lively banter all morning as I had a 1984 miners strike badge on my coat

When Mrs T went passed in a coffin it was about 60% of the people that clapped and about 40% that either turned their back to her or booed or hissed.

 

[SS4]

Why are all the Europhiles so terrified of giving the British public a say, if they are so convinced that Europe is so brilliant then let's have a vote.

It would be like the AV campaign, solid fact pitted against a picture of a baby dying because democracy is too expensive. A referendum would likely see an exit because the public have been conditioned by stories of wonky bananas, robbed sovereignty and "'uman rights"

 

[table38]

When Mrs T went passed in a coffin it was about 60% of the people that clapped and about 40% that either turned their back to her or booed or hissed.

That's quite a nice tribute, Thatcher always wanted to see the back of socialism

 

[yorksrob]

It would be like the AV campaign, solid fact pitted against a picture of a baby dying because democracy is too expensive. A referendum would likely see an exit because the public have been conditioned by stories of wonky bananas, robbed sovereignty and "'uman rights"

Well, the robbed sovereignty is a fact and the ECHR has thrown up some controversial decisions. Coupled to that, you now have the whole single currency fiasco. These haven't all been dreamt up by the press (I'm well aware that the ECHR is a separate entity btw)

 

[Oswyntail]

..... A referendum would likely see an exit because the public have been conditioned by stories of wonky bananas, robbed sovereignty and "'uman rights"

For a socialist, you don't half have a poor opinion of your fellow men. Alternatively, if the majority choose to be influenced by such stories, is that not right?

 

[455driver]

it would be nice if our courts could run our country without Brussels/ECHR sticking its beak in everywhere!

 

[Eagle]

it would be nice if our courts could run our country without Brussels/ECHR sticking its beak in everywhere!

ECHR is based in Strasbourg, not Brussels. (Also if we left the EU we'd still be party to the ECHR, because it's governed by the Council of Europe which includes every European country bar Belarus.)

 

[DarloRich]

BBC are reporting the funeral for the Sainted Margaret of Finchley cost the taxpayer £3.6M.

Whilst that is less than the £10m suggested in some media outlets it is about £3.6m too much seeing as we live in such austere times.

link here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22299372

 

[bb21]

Flipping heck. Is this thread still going?

 

[table38]

Whilst that is less than the £10m suggested in some media outlets it is about £3.6m too much seeing as we live in such austere times.

So in reality it's only about a third of the imaginary amount some people were frothing about on here a few weeks ago. Perhaps they will be along to apologise soon

 

[bb21]

Perhaps they will be along to apologise soon

Let's be realistic.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

So in reality it's only about a third of the imaginary amount some people were frothing about on here a few weeks ago. Perhaps they will be along to apologise soon

A farthing would be FAR too much. This could go on for ever. Half the country hated her guts and hope she is frying in hell as we speak.

If she was so pro-Britain why did she sell off it's assets to the highest (usually foreign) bidder ?
Why make the UK a 'free market' to the world yet no restrictions against nations imposing tarifs on our exports ?
Why no vote on whether to leave the EU ?
Why the 'smash the IRA' rhetoric while at the same time having secret talks with them ?
Why, while demonising socialism, did she then buy coal from the communist bloc helping to further it's grip by providing it with Western currency ?

 

[DarloRich]

So in reality it's only about a third of the imaginary amount some people were frothing about on here a few weeks ago. Perhaps they will be along to apologise soon

I wont apologise as i have nothing to apologise for. It is far to much. A single penny would be to much.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

....then, of course, there is the cost of recalling Parliament for a day! Or perhaps our elected representatives - of all parties, in case I am accused of bias - have decided to stump up themselves.
I wonder where the £10m first came from? It could have included potential costs of disturbances and arrests (which the establishment seemed to think would happen), but turning one's back was far more effective, I think.