Mordac
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Is the limit of electrification the junction where the line to Todmorden branches off?
Was thinking that myself. There's been several 2 car DMU vice EMU formations this week (mainly on Chat Moss). With late 331s and clearly no spare 319s, how exactly are Northern going to add 5 or so extra EMU diagrams?makes me think if they have enough units
Not until the curve at Church Fenton is upgraded to 100mph first.However works may still be undertaken on the Neville Hill to Colton junction section to close that electrification gap.
Not yet they are not, considering there is no catenary into 1 & 2. The rest of it is covered with earth straps.The overhead wires going up to miles platting are now live as well as platforms 1 and 2;
https://t.co/Ta3HB2eYQ2
The overhead wires going up to miles platting are now live as well as platforms 1 and 2;
https://t.co/Ta3HB2eYQ2
Was thinking that myself. There's been several 2 car DMU vice EMU formations this week (mainly on Chat Moss).
With late 331s and clearly no spare 319s, how exactly are Northern going to add 5 or so extra EMU diagrams?
I don't think that the 20 May diagrams will require any more 319s. I reckon that nine will be needed on the Bolton corridor (compared to the three in use at the moment)
Additionally there is a temporary Airport to Preston via Wigan 319 diagram from May, as partial cover for the non-availability of 195s for the Barrow service.Sorry, my mistake, it will be eleven diagrams on the Bolton corridor, so that's an increase of one on the present. I haven't gone through the diagrams with a tooth comb, and I haven't gone through the 323 diagrams at all, so there may be a saving of one diagram somewhere else.
Ones I can think of:Any chance of quoting dates/times when there has been DMU substitution on Chat Moss? I hadn't been aware that there had been any. It seems strange that substitution would be on Chat Moss, since it would make more sense for the Bolton corridor duties, if any, to be covered by DMUs, since they're running to DMU timings anyway.
Yes, that would be the case - the 350s & 390s have a much larger power draw than the 319s do, and the G.E.L. has yet to go live. Once it does, electric services will be very commonplace indeed.All of the services I saw that would normally be worked by 319s were operated by DMUs, possibly to limit the loading on the power supply with the additional electric services operating?
100% saw a 319 on 2K52. It was waiting at Bolton P3 when 2 390s unexpectedly passed within minutes. Was actually going to comment myself that the power supply and transmission seems to be holding up, even with the diverted EMUs (but with less power required on the WCML south of Preston).All of the services I saw that would normally be worked by 319s were operated by DMUs,
But I have heard a rumour that the two Victoria - Preston diagrams are to be DMU worked initially, which will mean no net increase in EMU diagrams.
There wouldn't be much sense in extending the Vic - Buckshaw services to Preston and then running them with DMUs when the whole point of running them to Buckshaw in the first place was to enable them to be DMU-operated. Are you suggesting that the services are going to remain Buckshaw-terminating for the time being?
I am not suggesting anything, merely repeating a rumour posted by a Northern employee on another forum.There wouldn't be much sense in extending the Vic - Buckshaw services to Preston and then running them with DMUs when the whole point of running them to Buckshaw in the first place was to enable them to be DMU-operated. Are you suggesting that the services are going to remain Buckshaw-terminating for the time being?
There wouldn't be much sense in extending the Vic - Buckshaw services to Preston and then running them with DMUs when the whole point of running them to Buckshaw in the first place was to enable them to be DMU-operated. Are you suggesting that the services are going to remain Buckshaw-terminating for the time being?
Anyone have a date for the completion of the great extension lead.Yes, that would be the case - the 350s & 390s have a much larger power draw than the 319s do, and the G.E.L. has yet to go live. Once it does, electric services will be very commonplace indeed.
The workings via Wigan will be 158 worked, as training is currently taking place to make this happen. It's still 319s planned on the Vic - Preston run to maintain the timings required.Additionally there is a temporary Airport to Preston via Wigan 319 diagram from May, as partial cover for the non-availability of 195s for the Barrow service.
A crossover was installed between Buckshaw and WCML at Euxton Junction so as to avoid conflicts of services with WCML , therefore I assume Buckshaw will be a terminating station ideally using EMUs in the long term plan as and when there are enough EMUs to operate the stand-alone service.?
I know the (reduced) Airport - Barrow/Windermere via Wigan services are to be worked by 158s until July. However, the diagram I was referring to consists entirely of short workings under the wires between Preston and the Airport via Wigan. It starts with 1U90, the 0607 Preston to Airport, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y60165/2019/05/29/advanced, and ends with 1T59, the 1929 Airport to Preston, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S57592/2019/05/29/advanced. The associated ECS working 5T59, 2039 Preston to Preston Croft Street Sidings, is loaded as a 319, http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S57601/2019/05/29/advanced. This seems odd if this STP service will really be worked by a 158.The workings via Wigan will be 158 worked, as training is currently taking place to make this happen. It's still 319s planned on the Vic - Preston run to maintain the timings required.
If EMUs are introduced on other services, that would free up the extra DMU necessary for the extension to Preston.