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I am totally unbothered about it. There you go.although I don't believe that anyone is totally unbothered by it...
I am totally unbothered about it. There you go.although I don't believe that anyone is totally unbothered by it...
This is going around in circles, I think most people would agree that the pendo is not the perfect train, but to be honest what is the perfect train? Does it even exist? But you want to travel from Oxenholme - London, are you really going to go by coach or car just because it may be a Pendo. You may not like looking at plastic but for me the solution is simple, upgrade to 1st (if travelling in advanced). I know their are a lot of limited view seats on all trains, I don't think I have ever had to do a 4 hour journey on one. If it is that full I am probably sat in an asile seat anyway!
RAGNARØKR;453073 said:The optimum bay spacing is 1.90 metres, and windows 1.5 metres wide, which is the class 180 Adelante, that gives a good compromise between capacity and provides most seats with an unobstructed view.
I am totally unbothered about it. There you go.
RAGNARØKR;453073 said:The Pendolino is just a bad design, apart from the sexy front end which looks good on posters. There is no excuse.
RAGNARØKR;453073 said:There are a reasonable number of decent seats (32) in the end cars of the Southern class 377 Electrostars. I would rather spend four hours in one of those than in a Pendolino.
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RAGNARØKR;453073 said:Bad design affects people for a long time. The rotten class 313 stock from the 1970s is now being inflicted on Southern Coastway passengers.
4 hours on a 377 your'e having a laugh.
As for 180's being quiet just another laugh. I have been on one of these things 3 times - twice out of Paddington and both times I bailed at Reading as my head was buzzing because of the noise. The 3rd time was earlier this year when I got on one at Grantham to London, not only was my head buzzing but the ride was one of the worst I have ever had on a train.
So you'd be totally unbothered about travelling for over 2 hours from (say) Manchester to London with nothing to look at other than 24" of grey plastic ?
Why is it so hard to believe that not everyone shares your opinion? I've had no view restricted seats before travelling from EUS-BHI and it didn't bother me either...
As for 180's being quiet just another laugh.
I've heard this phrase "it takes all sorts" before, maybe it's true !
Me ? I want a window, just like in my car, or in my house come to that
Well it does take all sorts as you have proved and as someone else has previously commented earlier in this thread, you'll be wanting a decent view during a trip through the Channel Tunnel next...
Yep. Done it in the past, with an iPod, laptop and a magazine or book to keep me occupied.So you'd be totally unbothered about travelling for over 2 hours from (say) Manchester to London with nothing to look at other than 24" of grey plastic ?
This thread is still rumbling along then?!!
Talking of the Channel Tunnel, I was a postman when it was being built and I remember a colleague asking, seriously, what would happen if a submarine crashed into it!
Jolly good idea.
How about they build a new tunnel under the channel only lay it on top of the sea bed and make it out of transparent perspex. The trains could then have powerful lights shining out of the sides of the carriages so we can see all the little fishys (before they get on the little dishys, when the boat comes in that is).
Might work, it really might. We can land a man on the moon don't forget.
RAGNARØKR;45307 said:There are a reasonable number of decent seats (32) in the end cars of the Southern class 377 Electrostars. I would rather spend four hours in one of those than in a Pendolino.
I don't get this argument about windows.
I've never had a window seat on any train where I couldn't actually see out of the window.
But how would the APT have coped with the current passenger numbers?
A: They wouldn't
Some threads never die.
Sadly we're going to have lots of ill-informed half baked comments going round and round in circles. Again.
The EMT 158s are awful. The refurb is shoddy, falling apart already. Left massively underpowered by the work DeltaFail have done to them, and I know a driver will be along soon to lambast DeltaRails work!
But how would the APT have coped with the current passenger numbers?
A: They wouldn't
Never been on a train where you couldn't actually see out of the window ?
Look at the third picture down on this link, which also shows "back to back" a Pendolino's claustrophobia v an APT's light and pleasant interior.
To those who think that hardly anyone is bothered about small windows on trains, try putting Virgin Pendolino small windows into Google.
So it's not only me then ?
Even I was surprised at how many people are on the intenet complaining about it.
And remember, most people don't complain, even it they are, in fact, not happy.