First TPE's Nova brand for their new trains

[hexagon789]

Forgive me, but who are Viktor Reznov and Vladimir Marakov, when they're at home?

 

[LOL The Irony]

Forgive me, but who are Viktor Reznov and Vladimir Marakov, when they're at home?

Characters from the Call of Duty Black Ops & Modern Warfare franchises respectively.

 

[hexagon789]

Characters from the Call of Duty Black Ops & Modern Warfare franchises respectively.

Fair enough, I've heard of the games but I'm none the wiser. I take it I can infer that they aren't the most agreeable of blokes?

 

[LOL The Irony]

Fair enough, I've heard of the games but I'm none the wiser. I take it I can infer that they aren't the most agreeable of blokes?

Well one caused hallucinations and the other caused WW3.

 

[hexagon789]

Well one caused hallucinations and the other caused WW3.

And they are presumably Russian, how very apt! Might be a premonition future events the way things are going.

 

[JaJaWa]

Don't think it's been mentioned that these trains now have a website: https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the-nova-fleets

Nova 3: https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the-nova-fleets/nova-3
Nova 2: https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the-nova-fleets/nova-2
Nova 1: https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the-nova-fleets/nova-1
(Yes that is the correct order)

 

[LOL The Irony]

This just get's better

 

[hexagon789]

This just get's better

Doesn't it just!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Of significant note for the EMUs:

60 per cent of seats arranged in a bay around a table. All standard class seats will align perfectly with the windows

Only for the EMUs though sadly it seems.

 

[hexagon789]

Of significant note for the EMUs:



Only for the EMUs though sadly it seems.

It's better than nothing. Though the mock-up photos for the Mk5s did make it look as though the seat to window arrangement wasn't bad.

 

[ash39]

Of significant note for the EMUs:



Only for the EMUs though sadly it seems.

I prefer an airline seat when travelling alone. 60% is too high in my opinion.

Of interest from those links to the new fleet information on TPE's own website - 61 more standard class seats in a 5-car Class 802 vs a 5-car mk5 set. I know the vehicles are 26m on the 802, but even allowing for that it's a bigger gap than I'd have expected.

Still much better than what we have now...

 

[hexagon789]

Still much better than what we have now...

And that's what matters

 

[Bletchleyite]

Of interest from those links to the new fleet information on TPE's own website - 61 more standard class seats in a 5-car Class 802 vs a 5-car mk5 set. I know the vehicles are 26m on the 802, but even allowing for that it's a bigger gap than I'd have expected.

4m extra length (26-22) over 5 coaches is an extra length of 20m on the train as a whole, with none of it going on vestibules, bogs or other space-wasters. That being the case, 61 seems like the seats will be very well spaced indeed - a Mk1 or Mk2 had 64 seats in 20m with some space used on vestibules and bogs.

 

[ash39]

4m extra length (26-22) over 5 coaches is an extra length of 20m on the train as a whole, with none of it going on vestibules, bogs or other space-wasters. That being the case, 61 seems like the seats will be very well spaced indeed - a Mk1 or Mk2 had 64 seats in 20m with some space used on vestibules and bogs.

They also have an extra toilet on the 802's (5 total vs 4 on the mk5's)

It all sounds and looks great, my only concern is the seating around tables - hoping this is just relevant to the west coast sets.

Personally, having suffered mass overcrowding on the 185’s for way too long, I'd rather have a high density layout of airline seats (and actually get one) as opposed to a nice intercity layout.

 

[hexagon789]

They also have an extra toilet on the 802's (5 total vs 4 on the mk5's)

It all sounds and looks great, my only concern is the seating around tables - hoping this is just relevant to the west coast sets.

Personally, having suffered mass overcrowding on the 185’s for way too long, I'd rather have a high density layout of airline seats (and actually get one) as opposed to a nice intercity layout.

I'd rather not have overcrowding AND have an InterCity layout but I appreciate your point. Any seat is better than no seat at all.

 

[ash39]

Of course yeah, but once you hit the buffer of maximum train length for the platforms along the route, it makes sense to maximise the density of the interior.

 

[_toommm_]

So, reading the Nova 3 page it seems it will have the traffic light system for the reservation. Let's hope that they have an electronic display besides them telling us where and when the seats will be reserved as a little light doesn't seem all too helpful to be honest.

 

[superalbs]

So, reading the Nova 3 page it seems it will have the traffic light system for the reservation. Let's hope that they have an electronic display besides them telling us where and when the seats will be reserved as a little light doesn't seem all too helpful to be honest.

On the current trains that are fitted with these (GWR Class 800), that is exactly the case.

 

[Bletchleyite]

It all sounds and looks great, my only concern is the seating around tables - hoping this is just relevant to the west coast sets.

It's only mentioned for the WC sets.

 

[hexagon789]

So, reading the Nova 3 page it seems it will have the traffic light system for the reservation. Let's hope that they have an electronic display besides them telling us where and when the seats will be reserved as a little light doesn't seem all too helpful to be honest.

I'd imagine they will do.

 

[hexagon789]

Of course yeah, but once you hit the buffer of maximum train length for the platforms along the route, it makes sense to maximise the density of the interior.

To an extent, hopefully though it won't go GWR High-density HST style though.

 

[xc170]

So what is the direct replacement for the 350s?

The TPE websites for the Novas states the 800's and the CAF EMUs will both do Scotland runs, surly then it would have made sense to just order one large fleet of 800s?

 

[Bletchleyite]

So what is the direct replacement for the 350s?

The EMUs.

The TPE websites for the Novas states the 800's and the CAF EMUs will both do Scotland runs, surly then it would have made sense to just order one large fleet of 800s?

Cheaper to have pure EMUs for the electric route (WCML).

 

[hexagon789]

So what is the direct replacement for the 350s?

The TPE websites for the Novas states the 800's and the CAF EMUs will both do Scotland runs, surly then it would have made sense to just order one large fleet of 800s?

I had thought the CAF units were the 350 replacements.

 

[385001]

So what is the direct replacement for the 350s?

The TPE websites for the Novas states the 800's and the CAF EMUs will both do Scotland runs, surly then it would have made sense to just order one large fleet of 800s?

397s (Nova 2 EMUs) will be the direct replacement for the 350s.

802s (Nova 1 bi-modes) will reach Edinburgh eventually via the ECML.

 

[hexagon789]

397s (Nova 2 EMUs) will be the direct replacement for the 350s.

802s (Nova 1 bi-modes) will reach Edinburgh eventually via the ECML.

That's how I understood it.

 

[BMIFlyer]

So what is the direct replacement for the 350s?

The TPE websites for the Novas states the 800's and the CAF EMUs will both do Scotland runs, surly then it would have made sense to just order one large fleet of 800s?

Hitachi couldn't supply enough 802's for when TPE needed them, hence the 397 order. The initial idea was that the 802 could do Liverpool-Man-Leeds-Newcastle-EDI and then for example do EDI-Carlisle-Man Air after a turnaround period at EDI.

397s (Nova 2 EMUs) will be the direct replacement for the 350s.

802s (Nova 1 bi-modes) will reach Edinburgh eventually via the ECML.

Over 100 more seats on a 397 than the 350 has and as such hopefully those extra seats and TPE not stopping at Wigan any longer should see full and standing trains go away on the Scotland to Man Airport via WCML route.

 

[hexagon789]

Hitachi couldn't supply enough 802's for when TPE needed them, hence the 397 order. The initial idea was that the 802 could do Liverpool-Man-Leeds-Newcastle-EDI and then for example do EDI-Carlisle-Man Air after a turnaround period at EDI.



Over 100 more seats on a 397 than the 350 has and as such hopefully those extra seats and TPE not stopping at Wigan any longer should see full and standing trains go away on the Scotland to Man Airport via WCML route.

We can but hope!

 

[talltim]

60 per cent of seats arranged in a bay around a table.

I hope it’s a big table...

 

[hexagon789]

I hope it’s a big table...

A dining table perhaps?