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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by choochoochoo, 1 May 2017.
Any 717s out today?
None on bank holidays.
Are any planned to operate tomorrow?
No. As was just explained in post #2100
GN have said there won’t be any at weekends until after signalling work is done - likely to be end of May.
The signals are due to be moved, the first/second week of May & belize for the auto changeover fitted at Drayton Park at the end of May.
I would imagine weekend working will be introduced from the 19th as more depots get diagrams which incorporate 717 work & more drivers are passed competent.
Don’t see what the rush is to get them into service on the weekends personally!?
By yesterday afternoon, I think only 003 and 007 were left standing. I went to Moorgate to catch the 1450 to WGC, which was cancelled, but boarded 003 an hour or so later at Finsbury Park, then saw 007 at Alexandra Palace.
Didn't see any others.
The ride on 003 was very good.
On 313s, there is a switch - crew doors are switched out of the interlock circuit in 'Guard' mode. In DOO mode they are switched in. This is so the the cab doors are securely closed with the sole member of staff safely on board.
is the pis unit the same as a 700
On a 700 internal screens may display 'not in service' and not clear even when a pis code has been entered unless you press a string of buttons... but with no repeater display in the cab the driver may not know
At least 005 007 009 and another I managed to miss running today
The Southern 313s run with it switched in, despite having a guard - the light doesn't go off until the guard's door closes.
The PIS seems to run the same way on both 717/700.
For such a modern train, they really didn't give the PIS much consideration. Or at least the driver's operation of the PIS. It's operated in the same way as it is done on a 365. That is apart from the initial setup when you can send a code from the train 700/717 DMI (driver machine interface) as opposed to typing it into the PIS unit as you would do on a 365.
They moved a step forward on the 387 PIS I felt, and now they've made 2 steps back.
Although apparently there is the option of it being controlled/updated remotely. Although that is possible on 387s too. But I don't see it used. At least on the TL/GN side.
I do wonder if the option to load adverts into it exists ?
Oh, so that's why I check the switch position during a prep ?
Saw one parked up at Kings Cross this morning on platform 11. Had Moorgate on the display. Doors were locked so looked like a diverted train?
On the Kings Cross Station twitter feed today it said a 717 visited the station on test.
2J17 06:28 Stevenage via Hertford North - Moorgate was delayed at Finsbury Park earlier on this morning, the service was ultimately terminated at Finsbury Park and ran into King's Cross as 5J17 were it remained until it worked as 5V49 to Finsbury Park t/f 2V49 10:33 to Welwyn GC.
To be pedantic but since early last week 2J01 04:22 Stevenage via Hertford - London King's cross is worked by a 717, it returns to Stevenage as the 05:21 2F01
Yes and it has been done before. Particularly last summer it was used quite a lot for a variety of things such as telling passengers to keep cool and hydrated during the heatwave, and also promoting the Rail Plan 2020 in the days running up to doomsday.
I always thought those were pre-loaded when the trains were in the depot.
I'd like to see Control target a specific train and send a PIS update when they decide to alter the stopping pattern. Rather than expecting the driver to faff around with a cumbersome PIS interface.
I have seen today at various times at Finsbury Park/Drayton Park and Moorgate 717002/003/005/007/009 in passenger service
In addition 717018 was also in service yesterday.
That is true,there supposed to be able to do that remotely on the 700’s/717’s
I used 717009 in the evening and its PIS system seemed to be working okay.
Same on 19.55 from Moorgate
This evening's 717s from Moorgate:
From Today until Thursday 02.05.19
Carriage working HE51 will revert back to 2 x 313, but returns to 717 on Friday 03.05.19
Carriage Working HE54 will revert from 2 x 313 to 717, but returns to 2x313 on Friday 03.05.2019
3B27 06+42 Hornsey EMUD - Hertford North
2J27 07:32 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V29 08:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K48 09:24 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B50 10:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J65 11:30 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V67 12:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K80 13:28 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B82 14:25 Moorgate - Hertford North
2J09 15:30 Hertford North - Moorgate
2V10 16:30 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K31 17:28 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2F32 18:20 Moorgate - Stevenage via Hertford North
2J53 19:30 Stevenage via Hertford North - Moorgate
2V55 20:50 Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5I72 21+44 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC via Reversing Sidings
2K72 22:09 Welwyn GC - Moorgate
2B74 23:10 Moorgate - Hertford North
3D88 00+25 Hertford North - London Kings Cross
2D88 01:09 London Kings Cross - Hertford North
5E88 02+03 Hertford North - Hornsey EMUD.
Is that because of the engineering work overnight?
I just checked the NRE journey planner for the weekend of the late-May bank holiday, and trains between WGC and Moorgate are shown as running normally on 25/26/27th May, at least they are, during daytime hours.
So how are the signals in the Drayton Park to Moorgate section going to be repositioned? Is the work being done overnight?
Really doubt it will happen over that weekend. Attempting to fiddle with that old time expired infrastructure is asking for trouble. and to do it in an overnight period is a recipe for disaster.
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on August Bank Holiday or next Christmas !!
Perhaps it’ll be done on time and on budget, by the team that brought you Crossrail...