Yes, exactly as I said.
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Key word missing: "live"
I think the "live" part will only come in with the 700s as they have that functionality built in.
And to avoid several hundred people shuffling up and down the core station platforms as trains unload/load in the preceding few minutes, don't expect live info with the 700s either
FCC already has loading information at many stations for the peak. In fact, many TOCs do.
The 700s will have the ability to state how many people it has on board, and presumably whereabouts based on where they boarded/alighted (are there additional sensors between carriages for those that move?).
Some FCC stock have counters, but they don't provide real time information. I presume the data can and does contribute to the posters produced though?
It does sound like Govia is trying to 'sell' things that already happen, or were already happening, to convince passengers how great they are. Of course, any company would.
The 700s will have the ability to state how many people it has on board, and presumably whereabouts based on where they boarded/alighted (are there additional sensors between carriages for those that move?).
Some FCC stock have counters, but they don't provide real time information. I presume the data can and does contribute to the posters produced though?
It does sound like Govia is trying to 'sell' things that already happen, or were already happening, to convince passengers how great they are. Of course, any company would.
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Described in the train/infrastructure interface spec as follows:
I'd expect they'd use a carriage weighing system, rather than a passenger counting system, the former would automatically cope with people moving around once onboard the train...
That did cross my mind after posting. I wonder how busy a train has to be, to be classed as full and standing.As the reason is because the proceeding FCC service was cancelled than probably not.
As for information that trains are full and standing the GTR say their new app will give live train loading information from November.
The train I was on from Clapham Junction the other night wasn't advertised as full and standing. I was able to board though. It got harder at Gatwick Airport so may be by then they were advertising this.
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More than likely. One of the 319s (old Southern one) has recently been put into an advert livery but has no mention of First Capital Connect on it anymore.
The franchise changes in just over a month so they will likely be starting now and working their way through the fleet.
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More likely come off after a graffii attack and isn't going to be put back on than anything else. Happened before quite a few times.
what advertising livery please? AFAIK none of the advertising liveries carry FCC branding
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Just seen 319426 and its had all fcc logos and external names removed.
End of an era!
I wonder how they'll deal with the 365's a they're vinyled with the 'skyline' livery containing the FCC name as part of the vinyl.
Will they completely remove the vinyl, exposing the Network South East livery underneath
or will they just leave the vinyl on and put a 'Great Northern' interim sticker over the FCC branding on the day of the changeover which will do until they get round to the unit refresh where the livery changes anyway.
Will they completely remove the vinyl, exposing the Network South East livery underneath
or will they just leave the vinyl on and put a 'Great Northern' interim sticker over the FCC branding on the day of the changeover which will do until they get round to the unit refresh where the livery changes anyway.
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Saw a 319 with no branding at Preston Park earlier? Is this not just for Northern or is it part of TSGN re-branding?
Some in Control already refer to FCC as 'Thameslink'
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Saw quite a few 319s with no FCC logos so looks like it is the start of debranding. All the units still have 'Dynamic Lights' vinyls though. Also noticed that unlike reliveried 319010, 319001 has no FCC logos, just the base TSGN livery.
Saw a 319 with no branding at Preston Park earlier? Is this not just for Northern or is it part of TSGN re-branding?
Some in Control already refer to FCC as 'Thameslink'
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FCC has the "Great Northern" side too for services using the ECML, on their Twitter feed when giving updates they start the tweet with either TL or GN
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Saw a 319 with no branding at Preston Park earlier? Is this not just for Northern or is it part of TSGN re-branding?
Some in Control already refer to FCC as 'Thameslink'
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I don't think we really stopped calling them Thameslink at our place in the same way that Gatwick Express service are still called Railairs.
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FCC has the "Great Northern" side too for services using the ECML, on their Twitter feed when giving updates they start the tweet with either TL or GN
Speaking of which has anyone seen any 365s or other FCC GN stock with removed branding?
IIRC, I saw one 365 that didn't have it on Thursday last week, but it looked like it had been ripped off by vandals.
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Well I've now seen unit 377514 at Brighton that is unbranded too... Must just be starting the process already.
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Seems they are only doing 319/4's and /0's at the moment.
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I was wrong, it unbranding. Saw a unit myself.
Been refered to as Thameslink in control for awhile. Remember some staff work on both sides.
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I think you are right.
With the trend in the last round being from National Express to First, "reversions" are likely to be the result of NatEx wins.
Scotrail is the next such possibility.
After that, Arriva or First would have to win the Northern rebid.
They should strip off all FCC vinyls to reveal original thameslink blue which govia designed in the first place! Or silver for some units
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FCC used Great Northern and Thameslink terms themselves when describing the network
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FCC used Great Northern and Thameslink terms themselves when describing the network
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365 debranding has started.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/14790589491/
The 319s are purple underneath the vinyl.
319441 by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr365 debranding has started.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrc31176/14790589491/
The 319s are purple underneath the vinyl.
Really? Looks like a patch up job I'm sure the old thameslink.blue is underneath
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