YorkshireBear
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Yes currenlty being diverted via Selby with buses running to Goole.
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Landslip at Hatfield Colliery (near Doncaster) line to Hull/Scunthorpe now reopened.
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Yes currenlty being diverted via Selby with buses running to Goole.
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Lampshade
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I suppose they could advise passengers for Hull should use HT services.
Searle
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re-tracks-left-twisted-colliery-landslip.html
Yes it is the DM, but there are some pictures in there! :P
Yes it is the DM, but there are some pictures in there! :P
ushawk
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Photo on the TPE facebook feed, admin this is deep linked so no copyright infringement
Wow, just wow. Can see the line being closed for a very long time, especially looking from the aerial picture showing how much spoil is behind it - and of course you cant really stop it either.
To think, trains were actually running over that line whilst it was (albeit slowly) moving - it could have been a disaster.
Think the Colliery will be footing the bill for this, presumably they would have insurance.
Also think the Daily Mail are very optimistic by saying the line will be closed until at least Saturday !!
TG
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The colliery pays. Rylands v Fletcher, if you bring and keep something dangerous on to your land, you're liable for damage to land resulting from it's escape.
Ironically, that was a case where a coal mine sued someone who's reservoir drained in to their mine. Drained as in, 'that reservoir had water in 5 minutes ago.'
There's also a tort principle known by it's latin form which means 'the thing speaks for itself'. A better translation would be 'Of course it's your fault, you dropped a barrel on my head/tipped your slag heap on my railway'
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What journeys are actually impossible and how long is added by bustitution? I will be going Hull-London somehow before this will be fixed, which I've done a few times but not enough to remember where the huge slag heap is and which train I'm on when I go past it.
Ironically, that was a case where a coal mine sued someone who's reservoir drained in to their mine. Drained as in, 'that reservoir had water in 5 minutes ago.'
There's also a tort principle known by it's latin form which means 'the thing speaks for itself'. A better translation would be 'Of course it's your fault, you dropped a barrel on my head/tipped your slag heap on my railway'
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What journeys are actually impossible and how long is added by bustitution? I will be going Hull-London somehow before this will be fixed, which I've done a few times but not enough to remember where the huge slag heap is and which train I'm on when I go past it.
Assuming you're using either the EC direct or Hull Trains services you should be unaffected as long as the route via Selby remains open (which this weekend it seems it won't be, see TG above) as those services go via Selby only. The spoil heap is on the line via Goole and as such Doncaster - Hull (via Goole) and Doncaster - Scunthorpe/Cleethorpes is now impossible due the landslip. Northern Rail services from Doncaster to Hull/Bridlington/Scarborough are being diverted via Selby. If you want stations on the affected bit of line then journies are being extended by up to 60 minutes due to bustitution.
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The routes that are closed are Doncaster to Scunthorpe and Doncaster to Goole. Doncaster (London) to Hull via Selby is still open, and Northern Trains are running that way instead (as well as the usual Hull Trains service to Kings X).
TPE on the Manchester Airport-Cleethorpes route are running buses Doncaster-Scunthorpe, but trains either side, and Northern Trains are running buses Doncaster-Goole and (some) trains Goole-Hull.
Worth checking National Rail Enquiries. There is supposed to be a Selby block this weekend, but that may be lifted I guess.
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Perfect excuse - to close that damned 'never say die' colliery - once and for all.
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I think they announced it was to close "shortly" just before Christmas.
I have worked for a short time (through an agency) at a Hargreaves site. My own opinion of them from that admittedly limited experience is that they do have an element of 'cowboy' mentality!
Wow, that's bad.
Just glad there were no trains in the section at the time.
I use to operate the ground frame on that site for train loading at the colliery and to see the pics like that and the forces of mass to do that is unbelievable.
Think of all the signal boxes that have closed that use to be the eyes and ears for things like this.
Can anyone recall a signal box around this area controlling movements into the colliery?
Hate to see things like this, not good for the railway and for the rail served colliery and the people who work there. Hope there is no loss of jobs.
Just glad there were no trains in the section at the time.
I use to operate the ground frame on that site for train loading at the colliery and to see the pics like that and the forces of mass to do that is unbelievable.
Think of all the signal boxes that have closed that use to be the eyes and ears for things like this.
Can anyone recall a signal box around this area controlling movements into the colliery?
Hate to see things like this, not good for the railway and for the rail served colliery and the people who work there. Hope there is no loss of jobs.
TG
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we're as yet unsure wether network rail will call off the engineering works for the weekend at selby yet or not but i wouldn't hold your breathe...
if you are travelling during the week then my advice would be to catch a sheffield train which, as i mentioned above, are being diverted via selby (but not stopping there) so for example, if you are booked on the 1245 doncaster to london east coast, normally you would be told to catch the 1122 hull to doncaster to connect... this service would terminate at goole and bustitution to doncaster so you would be better catching the 1057 hull to sheffield and arriving into doncaster early! (remember, this is just an example... check the times relevant to you!)
ANDYS
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I do not know the area well but I would guess that the line gets quite a bit of freight. Any ideas which way this will now be going as the repair job looks to be a couple of months at least.
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TG
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possibly via selby to get to hull and via brigg to get to immingham... goole freight could go via castleford maybe...
I'd guess they'll divert as much Immingham and Scunthorpe freight as possible via Brigg (run round at Wrawby Jn for Scunthorpe), but some will probably end up going via Lincoln. The Brigg line certainly resembled chaos when I last saw it in the middle of lots of diversions!
TG
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8 weeks ONCE it stops shifting... could be longer!!
TG
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I'm thinking that this is going to be one of the longest line closures in recent history if it takes eight weeks from once they've stabilised the spoil heap (and who knows how long that's going to take!). Certainly this must end up being one of the longest line closures other than when that line was in the far reaches of Scotland.
Lampshade
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Yep that's looking really really bad. I'm thinking that they're probably going to have to rebuild that section of track from scratch. I don't think they're going to be able to patch and mend this.
Apart from anything else that would be a fairly challenging BMX track, I can't imagine how you could make it flat again without taking the track (sleepers, gravel and all) off first.
TG
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Network Rail's new rollercoaster!!! 
jokes aside, yes they are going to have to re-level and re-lay the whole lot....
The line from Sheffield to Lincoln was closed for quite a few weeks a few years ago when the embankment alongside the canal there, collapsed during a flood (think it was 2007, without looking it up)
jokes aside, yes they are going to have to re-level and re-lay the whole lot....
The line from Sheffield to Lincoln was closed for quite a few weeks a few years ago when the embankment alongside the canal there, collapsed during a flood (think it was 2007, without looking it up)
That's what I'm thinking. You're going to have to go back to the beginning and start again surely. Could any of our infrastructure experts comment?
TG
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my friend on the ground said that the whole thing is going to have to come up.... there's no way it can simply just be repaired, it's going to have to be taken right back down to the trackbed and re-laid from scratch!!
Of course none of this can be done until the slag stops shifting and has been made safe!
Of course none of this can be done until the slag stops shifting and has been made safe!
Chapeltom
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Well I'll scrap any potential trip to do the Barnetby to Cleethorpes section of line for a while then 
hock: these pictures keep getting worse!
I've never seen devastation on a stretch of British track like it!
hock: these pictures keep getting worse!I've never seen devastation on a stretch of British track like it!
johnnychips
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They will have fun rearranging the platform diagrams at Donny if the TPEs turn round there. Is there anywhere just north of there they could stable?
Well I'll scrap any potential trip to do the Barnetby to Cleethorpes section of line for a while then
I've never seen devastation on a stretch of British track like it!
There has been worse (I think) but apart from a ground collapse (which was much shorter) you would have to go back to the Soham disaster when a train carrying explosives caught fire during WW2. 400 tonnes of HE bombs killed the driver and a signalman. The driver and the fireman were both awarded the George Cross.
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Only one of the 44 carriages holding bombs went up, as they had uncoupled the carriage on fire and had already drawn far enough clear to prevent it setting off the rest of the cargo.
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