TT-ONR-NRN
Established Member
158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.Different engines for one
158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.Different engines for one
True, but it is at least a difference!158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.
That's still the reprofiled 810-ish nose though, isn't it?
From that video it looks like most of the seats in the intermediate carriages are set round tables AND align with the windows! The Coach D experience lives on!
Yeah, seeing that has dramatically increased my interest in them.Looks to me like 8 tables per intermediate - that's not bad by modern standards (though the 76 seat Mk3 had 10). If aligned to windows the legroom will be excellent - the 80x windows are First Class bay sized. Should be a bit Chiltern-Mk3-esque by the looks of it!
I'm fairly surprised they're not shouting loudly about this kind of upgrade - TPE did of the 397s.
No it’s the boring original oneThat's still the reprofiled 810-ish nose though, isn't it?
The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.
Looks like the standard one to me.
Ah right, the missing coupler cover is a bit of a trick for the eyes.No it’s the boring original one
Yes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.
True trueThe headlights are the ones that are in the train now!
Bare in mind in the picture the train is an 802.
Don’t take too much of a artists impression.
What is the engine specification in 805s?Yes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.
Same type as the 810s but will normally be automatically downrated to 750bhp in service.What is the engine specification in 805s?
I'm guessing this is done by making them Stage V emissions compliant compared to being IIIB like the 802sYes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.
Thanks for the info.Same type as the 810s but will normally be automatically downrated to 750bhp in service.
Do the Pendolinos have compliant lights, that would permit no yellow panel?I feel like I always nit pick about this but I find the black front an odd decision when the pendolinos are yellow.
NopeDo the Pendolinos have compliant lights, that would permit no yellow panel?
Didn't think so, thanks for confirmingNope
I feel like I always nit pick about this but I find the black front an odd decision when the pendolinos are yellow.
Yet there are two words in common with all of them.. First Group.It somewhat seems like the designers sticking two fingers up at those who have misgivings about them being allowed, particularly when they result in a non uniform livery, where yellow works nicely on the units that require it. They do it because they can, rather than because there's any need for it.
Yet there are two words in common with all of them.. First Group.
I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.
The original 3-cars were just 158/0s.I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.
158798-158814 were the original 3 cars sets (actually they ran as 2 cars for a while until the centre car was added).I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.
Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.And yet, other First Group TOCs (GWR & SWR) have got consistent yellow front ends, despite fleets (80x & 701 respectively) which could run without them!
I agree with everyone else about it being a questionable design decision but I also think that Level Crossings are clearly not the only reason since they are planned to operate on lines with LCs and UWCs (Flint for example)Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.
GA chose to add the yellow did they not? Not “had to”.Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.