Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Different engines for one

158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.

 

[hexagon789]

158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.

True, but it is at least a difference!

It's not simply a new class number for the sake of having a desirable number for branding/advertising, having a different number to be different from other TOCs, or having a different number just 'cos!

 

[XAM2175]

That's still the reprofiled 810-ish nose though, isn't it?

 

[Bletchleyite]

That's still the reprofiled 810-ish nose though, isn't it?

Looks like the standard one to me.

 

[XAM2175]

From that video it looks like most of the seats in the intermediate carriages are set round tables AND align with the windows! The Coach D experience lives on!

Looks to me like 8 tables per intermediate - that's not bad by modern standards (though the 76 seat Mk3 had 10). If aligned to windows the legroom will be excellent - the 80x windows are First Class bay sized. Should be a bit Chiltern-Mk3-esque by the looks of it!

I'm fairly surprised they're not shouting loudly about this kind of upgrade - TPE did of the 397s.

Yeah, seeing that has dramatically increased my interest in them.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That's still the reprofiled 810-ish nose though, isn't it?

No it’s the boring original one

 

[Neptune]

158s have different engines, and even the subclass /8 shares Perkins and Cummins engines.

The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.

 

[Huntergreed]

Definitely a huge improvement in table quantity and window alignment from the 390’s, good to see!

 

[XAM2175]

Looks like the standard one to me.

No it’s the boring original one

Ah right, the missing coupler cover is a bit of a trick for the eyes.

 

[anamyd]

The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.

Yes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.

 

[Samzino]

The headlights are the ones that are in the train now!

Bare in mind in the picture the train is an 802.

Don’t take too much of a artists impression.

True true

 

[Richard Scott]

Yes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.

What is the engine specification in 805s?

 

[hexagon789]

What is the engine specification in 805s?

Same type as the 810s but will normally be automatically downrated to 750bhp in service.

 

[jackot]

Yes! And the Cummins/Perkins thing was BR's dual supplier policy, whereas the 805s actually have updated engines (compared to 802s) which supposedly have lower emissions and also may be quieter.

I'm guessing this is done by making them Stage V emissions compliant compared to being IIIB like the 802s

 

[Richard Scott]

Same type as the 810s but will normally be automatically downrated to 750bhp in service.

Thanks for the info.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I feel like I always nit pick about this but I find the black front an odd decision when the pendolinos are yellow.

 

[800001]

Is there anyone ‘in the know’, know if the 805 will live on Tuesday and to Old Dalby, now that the line between Melton and Peterborough is closed due to the bridge bash?

 

[hexagon789]

I feel like I always nit pick about this but I find the black front an odd decision when the pendolinos are yellow.

Do the Pendolinos have compliant lights, that would permit no yellow panel?

 

[bengley]

Do the Pendolinos have compliant lights, that would permit no yellow panel?

Nope

 

[hexagon789]

Nope

Didn't think so, thanks for confirming

 

[the sniper]

I feel like I always nit pick about this but I find the black front an odd decision when the pendolinos are yellow.

It somewhat seems like the designers sticking two fingers up at those who have misgivings about them being allowed, particularly when they result in a non uniform livery, where yellow works nicely on the units that require it. They do it because they can, rather than because there's any need for it.

 

[XCTurbostar]

It somewhat seems like the designers sticking two fingers up at those who have misgivings about them being allowed, particularly when they result in a non uniform livery, where yellow works nicely on the units that require it. They do it because they can, rather than because there's any need for it.

Yet there are two words in common with all of them.. First Group.

 

[Domh245]

Yet there are two words in common with all of them.. First Group.

And yet, other First Group TOCs (GWR & SWR) have got consistent yellow front ends, despite fleets (80x & 701 respectively) which could run without them!

 

[irish_rail]

As a driver I hate the black fronts. When the sunlight reflects off them (for me its the crossrail stuff between Reading and Padd) it tends to dazzle me. I've thought about contacting ciras over this but decided not to. Black fronts in my opinion have absolutely no advantage and in my opinion don't look better either!

 

[Sm5]

The only 158 subclass is the 158/9 (metro train units with only 1 toilet and 2 more seats per coach as built). Those numbered 1588xx are simply a continuation beyond 158799.

I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.

 

[hexagon789]

I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.

The original 3-cars were just 158/0s.

The only other subclass being the ten units of the 158/9 subclass for West Yorkshire PTE which had a few internal detail differences over the standard 158s, such as only one toilet pet set and modified seating density.

 

[Neptune]

I thought 158/8’s were originally built as 3 car for Transpennine services, as opposed to the 2 cars in the rest of the fleet.

158798-158814 were the original 3 cars sets (actually they ran as 2 cars for a while until the centre car was added).

As I said there is no such thing as a 158/8 sub class.

 

[JaJaWa]

And yet, other First Group TOCs (GWR & SWR) have got consistent yellow front ends, despite fleets (80x & 701 respectively) which could run without them!

Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.

I agree with everyone else about it being a questionable design decision but I also think that Level Crossings are clearly not the only reason since they are planned to operate on lines with LCs and UWCs (Flint for example)

 

[43096]

Level crossings are also a factor and are why GA had to re-add yellow fronts to their new trains.

GA chose to add the yellow did they not? Not “had to”.