Query regarding Victoria line 1967 stock and Metropolitan line A stock

[Mojo]

But today pretty much every train was 477!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

...and I now make that 19 rakes still in use ( = 38 units ).

 

[astock5000]

Updated 1967TS list:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsHaeoH5qU2WdFlNcFRPNGZ1UE5GN1Zsd3dHbnVRWEE&hl=en#gid=0

The 'planned withdrawal' dates were posted by a member on District Dave.
Another six units should have gone by now (leaving 34 in service), but some are still running due to delays in delivering 09TS:

3027 + 3170 - planned to be withdrawn in January, but this was changed to 1st Feb. They were last seen on 23rd Jan.

3007 + 3106 - planned to be withdrawn on 28th Jan - seen in service on that day.

3005 + 3149 - should be withdrawn today, but I think that's unlikely to happen.

astock5000, your spreadsheet mentions a train at Aldwych. I went on a visit there Friday last week and I asked the guy where the train was. He said it was taken away for repairs a while back and he had no idea when it was due to return.

Any ideas?

The LT Museum's 1938TS was at Aldwych in September. The 72TS must have gone somewhere for the 38TS to get there - possibly Ruislip, Northfields or Acton Works.
Maybe they decided to do some maintenance on it, and it wasn't ready when the 38TS left the branch. As a train can't run onto the branch when the service is running transferring the 72TS back could affect any overnight engineering work on the Piccadilly line, so it's possible that it won't go back until it's needed.

 

[Mojo]

3106 in service right now, just arrived Green Park

 

[317666]

3007 and 3106 were in service yesterday evening, I travelled on them from Finsbury Park to Tottenham Hale.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I had a rare occasion to go out briefly on a Sunday today and while this is, again, not exhaustive, I noted the following in traffic today:

14 + 47
10 + 29
76 + 58
78 + 75
06 + 07
79 + 59
34 + 85
28 + 55
82 + 26
61 + 60
03 + 62
11 + 84

And of the new 2009 stock, 11053/4 was in traffic. I have now got the haulage on everything up to that one except 11001/2 and 11051/2.

 

[astock5000]

3127 and 3070 were withdrawn a couple of weeks ago.

 

[ChrisCooper]

Someone mentioned the single ended sets are being withdrawn first. Are these the ones with 72 inner ends? If so are these still being transfered to the Bakerloo, after swapping around? Might explain why they want to take them out of service first, so they can be modified for running on the Bakerloo. The 72 cabs would need red ends, radios, possibly missile proof glass, possibly high intensity headlights, OPO controls, and the 67s would at least need inter car barrier fittings. They might want to standardise the interiors too.

 

[Mojo]

Someone mentioned the single ended sets are being withdrawn first. Are these the ones with 72 inner ends? If so are these still being transfered to the Bakerloo, after swapping around? Might explain why they want to take them out of service first, so they can be modified for running on the Bakerloo. The 72 cabs would need red ends, radios, possibly missile proof glass, possibly high intensity headlights, OPO controls, and the 67s would at least need inter car barrier fittings. They might want to standardise the interiors too.

See the spreadsheet posted by astock5000 for details of the units and their scrapping.

No units are being transferred to the Bakerloo, they are all being withdrawn from service. One car from the "Royal Train" (the one the queen had a cab ride in) is preserved at the LTM depot in Acton.

 

[astock5000]

Someone mentioned the single ended sets are being withdrawn first. Are these the ones with 72 inner ends? If so are these still being transfered to the Bakerloo, after swapping around? Might explain why they want to take them out of service first, so they can be modified for running on the Bakerloo. The 72 cabs would need red ends, radios, possibly missile proof glass, possibly high intensity headlights, OPO controls, and the 67s would at least need inter car barrier fittings. They might want to standardise the interiors too.

At first most units being withdrawn were single ended, however there were exceptions. Since December all units have been coupled to ones being withdrawn on the same date so double ended units are no longer needed for flexibility, and over half the 67TS fleet has now been withdrawn, meaning that double ended units would have to start going soon anyway.

There was a rumour that some units would be transferred to the Bakerloo, which was to be extended to Watford Junction (as a replacement for the Overground service). However they decided to wait until the Bakerloo gets new stock around 2020.
If it had happened though, it might have been easier to convert the outer end 67TS DMs, as they would already have door controls, radios etc. - 67TS can be driven manually on other lines with tripcocks fitted - this is how they are getting to Acton Works when they are withdrawn. The main work would have been fitting an extra compressor to the trailers in units shortened to 3-car.

 

[ChrisCooper]

I'd forgotten that it was for the Watford extension that they wanted them, actually forgotten they'd proposed extending to Watford!

 

[317 forever]

It is a revelation that the Bakerloo Line is destined to wait until 2020 for new trains. At one stage replacement stock was earmarked for 2013. Mind you, the Piccadilly Line was due new trains in 2014 but will now have to wait until 2022.

All good news for me as the 1972 Mk II and 1973 stock are my favourites on the Underground!

 

[jon0844]

I thought the outgoing Victoria Line trains seemed like they had many more years in them. In fact, their problems seemed to be down to the doors breaking when people held them open - a feature Bombardier have managed to perfect in the new ones!

 

[Pumbaa]

I thought the outgoing Victoria Line trains seemed like they had many more years in them. In fact, their problems seemed to be down to the doors breaking when people held them open - a feature Bombardier have managed to perfect in the new ones!

By removing the need for people to hold them open

 

[jon0844]

Yes, they break if passengers merely LOOK at the doors in an odd way.

 

[Mojo]

I had to scoff on Friday when I heard a train at Warren Street had a door fault. Turned out it was a 67!

Of course this incident occurred right in the middle of chaos as an 09 stock lost all air resulting in a number of detrainments needing to be carried out

 

[astock5000]

Units 3022 and 3123 have been withdrawn. They were supposed to run until June, so it seems there was a problem with one of them (the same thing happened to A stock unit 5006).

 

[jon0844]

I hope that any new stock will be fitted without doors to solve these problems. Just put in more grab handles and tell people to hold on!

Might improve the ventillation too, although I accept it would be noisy and the HSE may kick up a bit of a fuss...

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[12CSVT]

Units 3022 and 3123 have been withdrawn. They were supposed to run until June, so it seems there was a problem with one of them (the same thing happened to A stock unit 5006).

Had 3022/3123 all the way from Brixton to Walthamstow a few weeks ago.

 

[Mojo]

Saw 60+61 this afternoon. Seem to have been avoiding the Vic line recently so don't have much to report!

 

[Daniel]

23rd Feb 2011
1415 KGX - TOM 1436
3078+3178+3075+3175

23rd Feb 2011
0615 TOM - EUS 0631
3175+3075 (didn't catch the rear)

22nd Feb 2011
1328 EUS - TOM 1343
3050+3151 (didn't catch the rear)

22nd Feb 2011
0610 TOM - 0624 EUS
3155+3055+3128+3028

16th Feb 2011
1602 TOM - EUS 1615
3139+3039+3167+3067

15th Feb 2011
2051 EUS - TOM 2105
3084+3184

14th Feb 2011
1221 TOM - EUS 1235
3172+3072

^ Just a few recent ones

 

[Mojo]

You mean TTH

 

[Daniel]

I refuse to use Coburg's Osbourne's abbreviation

 

[Crossforth]

I was on 3011 yesterday from Victoria to King's Cross but I didn't catch the rear unit

Anybody able to help with what the rear unit was?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

11 is with 84.



Sighted today ( note - not every diagram covered due to lack of time ) 25th were:

72 + 76
78 + 75
14 + 47
26 + 82
39 + 67
29 + 10
33 + 71
59 + 79
05 + 49
84 + 11


Also, 2009 stock units 11055 + 11056 and 11057 + 11058 have entered service and were duly collected for haulage.

 

[Crossforth]

11 is with 84.



Sighted today 25th were:

72 + 76
78 + 75
14 + 47
26 + 82
39 + 67
29 + 10
33 + 71
59 + 79
05 + 49
84 + 11


Also, 2009 stock units 11055 + 11056 and 11057 + 11058 have entered service and were duly collected for haulage.

Brilliant, thanks for that

 

[317666]

I saw a fair few units yesterday also whilst waiting for someone, as 5 and 49 entered the platform, I saw 49 and thought nothing of it, then saw 5 and almost shouted "FIVE???" because I thought it had been withdrawn by now! hock:

The units I saw yesterday were:

60 + 61
59 + 79
82 + 26
49 + 5
84 + 11
75 + 78
40 + 41
39 + 67

Has anyone seen 3003 and 3162 lately?

 

[simple simon]

I hope that any new stock will be fitted without doors to solve these problems. Just put in more grab handles and tell people to hold on!

Might improve the ventillation too, although I accept it would be noisy and the HSE may kick up a bit of a fuss...

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Why not give them manually operated sliding doors? That way there will still be doors - but there will be less to 'go wrong'!


Simon

 

[astock5000]

I was also on the line on the 25th. 3003 + 3162 were in service:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaevWkf4zs

I also saw (and filmed) 3067 + 3139 and 3034 + 3185, as well as several 09TS including units 11055 - 11058.

I've updated the list, and put 3006 + 3107 as withdrawn. This is not confirmed, however there was a post on District Dave saying they were about to be, and they haven't been seen for a couple of weeks.

3058 is now running with 3050, and 3076 with 3072. This would seem strange, as all units were coupled with the other one being withdrawn at that time. 3050 and 3072 were planned to go on 8th April, with 3058 and 3076 on 22nd July* (the last two), so these dates might have changed.

*Although some units have planned withdrawal dates in July, it seems that no 67TS will be able to run after the end of June, with a timetable change temporarily reducing the number of trains in service so that all can be run with 09TS. This is due to the removal of the old signalling system.

Updated list:
https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?pli=1&hl=en&key=tYMpTO4fuPNF7VlwwGnuQXA&hl=en#gid=0

 

[317666]

Ah, 3 and 62 keep evading me whenever I'm on the Victoria line, come to think of it so does 3067 my favourite 67TS!