re introduction of staff travel boxes for all non safeguarded rail staff

[thedeano66]

I've got an e petition for the re introduction of staff travel boxes for non safeguarded staff to fall in line with European rail staff after 11 years service that goes into retirement.

Anyone can sign it.its open to all railway staff.

The link is,

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uK/petitions/17508

It's under the name of Natalie Anderson.

The more people who sign it the better chance of getting what the Europeans have.

Regards

Dean Anderson at caterham depot

 

[Clip]

Nice thought but who would pay for this?

 

[NSEFAN]

The problem with an e-petition is that the government will just turn round and say "It's a private industry now. Staff perks are nothing to do with us anymore."

 

[Mojo]

A bigger issue (IMO) is the fact that many employed by the rail industry (e.g. Network Rail), and those employed by contractors (e.g. Initial) get no travel benefits aside from a taxable annual season rebate (and only a few companies do this).

 

[Tin Rocket]

Why wait for 11 years service?you should be eligable for priv travel as soon as you commence employment like it used to be with BR.

 

[Yew]

Why wait for 11 years service?you should be eligable for priv travel as soon as you commence employment like it used to be with BR.

I think they mean, its a priv for life when you have 11 years. we have something similar at tesco, if you have x amount of years when oyu retire, you keep your tesco priv until you die

 

[Tin Rocket]

priv travel ended in 96,i missed out by a year,so if you have 11 years service up to now you would'nt have priv travel anyway,you would need at least 16 years continual service this spring to have priv travel,if you are talking about ex BR staff that is.

 

[Trog]

priv travel ended in 96,i missed out by a year,so if you have 11 years service up to now you would'nt have priv travel anyway,you would need at least 16 years continual service this spring to have priv travel,if you are talking about ex BR staff that is.

Someone I know missed out by a day.

 

[DarloRich]

Someone I know missed out by a day.

Someone i work with qualified by a day (barstewards!)

 

[ChrisTheRef]

I missed out by 14 years! I'm very jealous of colleagues with boxes, particularly unused ones!

 

[Tin Rocket]

I missed out by 14 years! I'm very jealous of colleagues with boxes, particularly unused ones!

UNUSED BOXES chap at my place has'nt used 1 box in 10 years,diabolical waste

 

[dk1]

UNUSED BOXES chap at my place has'nt used 1 box in 10 years,diabolical waste

I have heard that so much over the years. Funny thing though that those same people now ask me for advice on train times/routes etc. Now realise how fantastic a perk it is. Not just National trains around the UK with next to no restrictions, but shipping (Stena/Irish ferries), Eurostar costs around £22 each-way, un-limited use of Windermere cruises, free travel throughout Europe, free travel on Croydon trams & also Tube & most preserved lines give 75% discount.

 

[185]

Signed.

Who will pay for this?
It costs nothing.

Why is it important?
Equal rights in a workplace is important.

Why is it unfair?
Someone who may have worked for 1 year in 1986 putting metal rivets into wastebins for BR gets free UK travel, free travel on trains across America India and Australia. Someone who started in 1998 and has worked for 14 years gets nothing other than discounted travel which is often the same price or more than normal passengers pay.

 

[dk1]

It will never come back as it was in my opinion. As said, who will pay? I just think they cannot wait to get rid of those of us left.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Can non-rail staff who support this sign it, or is it strictly staff only?

 

[Nonsense]

Petitioning the government to intervene in private sector staff benefits.

It was a hell of a benefit, sure, but even on a forum full of railway employees, I can't be the only one to despair at this expression of self entitlement

 

[AlterEgo]

Petitioning the government to intervene in private sector staff benefits.

It was a hell of a benefit, sure, but even on a forum full of railway employees, I can't be the only one to despair at this expression of self entitlement

God forbid anyone would want to improve their lot...

 

[Nonsense]

God forbid anyone would want to improve their lot...

By all means. I flipped burgers at the Trekkers cafe on Lancaster station in the 90s, thirteen hour shifts sometimes, for less than three quid an hour. I worked on the railway, so I too should get these benefits


I would sincerely love unrestricted free international travel for me and my family, I also think my beer should be free too, and I did work behind the bar afterall. Maybe I could start a separate petition, free beer for all bar staff, why not?

 

[TTI]

Who will pay?
Staff travel doesnt "cost" anything in real terms and may be used by shrewder TOCs in future pay negotiations (if they can share & agree between themselves).

Adminstration of staff travel is a joke, each company has had to "admin" it seperately, instead of all done centrally to one set of rules.

Despite the "gap" since BR, I hope it comes to fruition.

Signed

 

[lookingforit35]

Signed.

Who will pay for this?
It costs nothing.

Surely not. The cost is the lost revenue that would have been collected had a ticket been sold to the individual concerned. Or furthermore, the lack of ability to sell a ticket because a reservation has been taken by a non-fare payer.

In manufacturing it's clear to see what the "costs" are eg a car might clearly be said to be worth £15,000. But in a service industry just because the cost isnt so obvious doesn't mean that there isnt one.

 

[yorksrob]

By all means. I flipped burgers at the Trekkers cafe on Lancaster station in the 90s, thirteen hour shifts sometimes, for less than three quid an hour. I worked on the railway, so I too should get these benefits


I would sincerely love unrestricted free international travel for me and my family, I also think my beer should be free too, and I did work behind the bar afterall. Maybe I could start a separate petition, free beer for all bar staff, why not?

I'm sure a lot of bar staff in decent pubs get the odd perk now and again.

With regard to the railway, a lot of people (not just staff) don't even believe it should be in the private sector anyway, so that's hardly going to register as an argument against.

 

[12CSVT]

UNUSED BOXES chap at my place has'nt used 1 box in 10 years,diabolical waste

I'm at the other end of the scale, having made use of every single box allocated to me in over 20 years railway service

 

[Darandio]

Surely not. The cost is the lost revenue that would have been collected had a ticket been sold to the individual concerned. Or furthermore, the lack of ability to sell a ticket because a reservation has been taken by a non-fare payer.

Not so sure about that to be honest. My experience of my father and other box holders are that they don't reserve and turn up and go when required, as the box allows them to do. Any tickets reserved must be minimal at best.

 

[Legzr1]

I'm at the other end of the scale, having made use of every single box allocated to me in over 20 years railway service

And I'm at the other end of that scale - 24 years and I've used exactly zero boxes

 

[AlterEgo]

Or furthermore, the lack of ability to sell a ticket because a reservation has been taken by a non-fare payer.

Sorry, you seem to have no idea what you're talking about. I have not signed the petition, but staff travelling on boxes do not take reservations away from the public.

No tickets are sold with a seat. Anytime, Off Peak and rover tickets can be sold regardless of how many reservations are left on a particular train.

Advance tickets are quota controlled and come with a mandatory reservation. Nobody with a reservation is ever infringing on this quota as it is set aside from the outset.

You assertion is false.

 

[thedeano66]

Can non-rail staff who support this sign it, or is it strictly staff only?

It's open to anyone.
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Who will pay?
Staff travel doesnt "cost" anything in real terms and may be used by shrewder TOCs in future pay negotiations (if they can share & agree between themselves).

Adminstration of staff travel is a joke, each company has had to "admin" it seperately, instead of all done centrally to one set of rules.

Despite the "gap" since BR, I hope it comes to fruition.

Signed

Thank you for your support. It doesn't cost anything to have the boxes back.under BR u had to get up from ur seat for a fare paying passenger to have.for all those who think should have this perk ask the bar staff, macdonalds workers and city bankers to have no perks as well.
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It's open to anyone.
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Thank you for your support. It doesn't cost anything to have the boxes back.under BR u had to get up from ur seat for a fare paying passenger to have.for all those who think we shouldnt have this perk ask the bar staff, macdonalds workers and city bankers to have no perks as well.

the petition is there till Sept.
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It's open to anyone.
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Thank you for your support. It doesn't cost anything to have the boxes back.under BR u had to get up from ur seat for a fare paying passenger to have.for all those who think should have this perk ask the bar staff, macdonalds workers and city bankers to have no perks as well.
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the petition is there till Sept.

For those who think we shouldn't have this then ask the macdonalds workers, bar staff and city bankers to have none of their perks as well. The idea of having 11 years is for being loyal to the railway industry.obviously over the years the unions will get this down via national bargining.but really its just to fall in line with rest of Europe.we can go there for free like them but when it comes to our own country they get free it but we don't.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Surely not. The cost is the lost revenue that would have been collected had a ticket been sold to the individual concerned....

Company greed you mean? Yeah I could see that as an argument against, of course BR could have done the same thing, but actually giving out free travel encourages travel, if it didn't, TOCs wouldn't give free leisure travel on their own trains to their own employees or make agreements with some other TOCs.

....Or furthermore, the lack of ability to sell a ticket because a reservation has been taken by a non-fare payer....

1) Any reservations made for box holders can only be from the 'walk-up' quota, so the "not able to sell a ticket to someone else" argument is a non starter, it does not stop someone else buying a ticket.

2) Staff are asked NOT to travel on busy trains and are expected to give up their seat to 'a fare paying passenger' if no other seats are available. There is no distinction for those on Priv rate tickets as far as I am aware, so not only is the priv rate more than most Advance fares (which guarantee a seat!), we have to stand too.

 

[AlterEgo]

2) Staff are asked NOT to travel on busy trains and are expected to give up their seat to 'a fare paying passenger' if no other seats are available. There is no distinction for those on Priv rate tickets as far as I am aware, so not only is the priv rate more than most Advance fares (which guarantee a seat!), we have to stand too.

Indeed...

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSTDocuments/NewArticles/Winter 2011-2012 RestrictionsV2.pdf

 

[DarloRich]

i am more than happy to support this matter - i would LOVE a pass!

I will never get one mind you! (Unless i move to a TOC)

 

[the sniper]

A bigger issue (IMO) is the fact that many employed by the rail industry (e.g. Network Rail), and those employed by contractors (e.g. Initial) get no travel benefits aside from a taxable annual season rebate (and only a few companies do this).

Agree with this. I think it's a real joke that NR and BTP (and most FOC?) employees get next to no travel benefits at all. At least TOC staff get free leisure travel on their own TOC and TOCs owned by the same group. Surely it wouldn't put the TOCs out that much to offer NR, BTP and FOC staff at least PRIV rates, as it's not even like PRIV rates are overly attractive nowadays!

For all the railway staff here wanting staff travel boxes, why just sign this petition? Get onto your Unions! Isn't that the kind of thing that ASLEF and the RMT should be doing/should have done/shouldn't have given away? Or are the RMT too busy arguing that Siemens should be buying German built bogies from Bombardier for the Thameslink fleet?