It's not that, several drivers have not crossed the picket lines at various depots.That doesn't sound a very sensible way to engender support from those that have turned up to work.
It's not that, several drivers have not crossed the picket lines at various depots.That doesn't sound a very sensible way to engender support from those that have turned up to work.
I'm still confused.....
Has anyone attempted to travel?
Can anyone explain what happened with the “non strike workers refusing to go over the picket fence”???
Isn’t that breach of contract, possibly even illegal? Assuming it wasn’t voluntary RDW or whatever
Isn’t that breach of contract, possibly even illegal? Assuming it wasn’t voluntary RDW or whatever
I assume the drivers would count as non-union for these purposes as they’re not part of the union that’s called the strike.Non-union staff and striking
If non-union members go on strike, they are protected from dismissal and have the same rights as union members, as long as the industrial action is lawful.
Non-union for these purposes means not in any union. It may seem perverse, but it excludes members of other unions not involved in the dispute, but in the grades as those in dispute. Therefore it excludes drivers in ASLEF.Refusing to cross the picket line would be deemed as joining the strike. From https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes
I assume the drivers would count as non-union for these purposes as they’re not part of the union that’s called the strike.
Striking is a breach of contract, even backed by a ballot, but is protected from the threat of dismissal for the first 12 weeks from the start of any period of strike action.Isn’t that breach of contract, possibly even illegal? Assuming it wasn’t voluntary RDW or whatever
Train drivers refused to cross the guard's picket lines. I'm not entirely sure why they're surprised given Merseyrail's drivers did the same and it was WCML South crews in the 90s who sat in their trains when they attempted DOO-P and refused to move without guards.
Really? I know on the West side all depots had picket lines everyday of the strikes.The guards aren't going to stay there every Saturday, particularly in December. When Northern decided to strike every Saturday they made their presence felt the first week or two and that was it.
At least I know not to bother with the train on Saturdays now, so it's the car, again.
Many people must be fed up with the unreliability of the railways nowadays, there's been plenty of industrial action across the country in recent years and the continuing cancellations due to lack of train crew make trips more stressful than they should be.
It actually amazes me that passenger numbers are still increasing across the UK.Saturday is my leisure day and I like to groundhop with football and go to different places on the train, it hasn't half got the worse the last year or two. Overcrowded trains all over the country, any weather abnormality causing chaos, signal/wiring failures, tresspassers on the line, staff not turning up to work meaning more and more trains cancelled, old rolling stock, not enough carriages. All things which make the journey more unpleasant as they're even busier when you actually get on a train. Even the WCML has gone to hell lately and seems to be badly creaking. HS2 still years away as well.
The state of the trains at the moment must be putting even more pressure on the roads, especially in the north and midlands.
["LowLevel, post: 4290948, member: 22586"]Train drivers refused to cross the guard's picket lines. I'm not entirely sure why they're surprised given Merseyrail's drivers did the same and it was WCML South crews in the 90s who sat in their trains when they attempted DOO-P and refused to move without guards.
Perhaps all the additional services that have been specified in recently awarded franchise’s have a lot to do with that.It actually amazes me that passenger numbers are still increasing across the UK.
It actually amazes me that passenger numbers are still increasing across the UK.
I don't suppose even LNR management really expected that they'd be able to run that emergency timetable.
The franchise needs withdrawing now and vesting in DOR.
It's not that, several drivers have not crossed the picket lines at various depots.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the whole guards dispute is DFT led, I mean, many franchises with different owning companies....How would that change things ?
I would have thought it would at least be classed as awol...or whatever term they’d use for it, and then dealt with by whatever procedure that have for dealing with such instances? Disciplinary?Isn't that illegal though, the Drivers haven't been balloted and hence cannot join in with the industrial action?
Isn't that illegal though, the Drivers haven't been balloted and hence cannot join in with the industrial action?
Isn’t this particular dispute more RMT internally led,? given they’d essentially signed a framework agreement with the TOC 18 months earlier that more militant factions then opted to overturnI thought it was pretty common knowledge that the whole guards dispute is DFT led,
["LowLevel, post: 4290948, member: 22586"]Train drivers refused to cross the guard's picket lines. I'm not entirely sure why they're surprised given Merseyrail's drivers did the same and it was WCML South crews in the 90s who sat in their trains when they attempted DOO-P and refused to move without guards.