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Very good, and let's hope that this helps reduce the noise around the subject of Scotrail's performance.
Hopefully that'll keep the passengers happy. It's a nice gesture that recognises frustration and hopefully eases tensions a bit.
Labour: you should give rail users a £2m discount!
SNP: ok we'll give rail users a £3m discount!
Labour councillor: that £3m would have supported a lot of bus services for our poorer and rural communities!
I'm not even making it up.
No, just Scot Lab all at sea. (Sassenach neutral in this).More accurate would be that Labour suggested a policy (which would have been contentious in Labour anyway) of giving all rail users a discount for the next year. The SNP decided to spend 50% more giving arbitrary discounts to commuters, which is of no use to most of the people who have had their late evening journeys completely destroyed for 6 months. Some people from Labour, who may well not have agreed with the Labour policy anyway, then objected to what was basically a completely different policy.
And then somebody came on here making out like that was unreasonable.
The constant bashing of ScotRail in the press is becoming tedious to say the least. What can we actually do?
...and I don't remember us being in crisis last autumn.The figure for the period was 0.2 points up on the same time last year
Labour: you should give rail users a £2m discount!
SNP: ok we'll give rail users a £3m discount!
Labour councillor: that £3m would have supported a lot of bus services for our poorer and rural communities!
I'm not even making it up.
Have the issues with the sockets been fixed? The last one I took back in August from INV to ABD, the guard said that there had been a lot of issues with the sockets hence why they were out of use during my trip.
More accurate would be that Labour suggested a policy (which would have been contentious in Labour anyway) of giving all rail users a discount for the next year. The SNP decided to spend 50% more giving arbitrary discounts to commuters, which is of no use to most of the people who have had their late evening journeys completely destroyed for 6 months. Some people from Labour, who may well not have agreed with the Labour policy anyway, then objected to what was basically a completely different policy.
And then somebody came on here making out like that was unreasonable.
The late evening train cancellations are to allow electrification to arrive sooner. No problem with short term pain allowing long term gain. The passengers on these trains are minimal to say the least and are bustistuted.
However let's not try and let it spoil a good soundbite or a story in the Scotsman.
It's all part of the Scot-rail/Network Rail Alliance. Where no compensation is paid to the TOC for the cancellation of trains. Making the cost of electrification cheaper.
See my bold; I thought the seats were to be all at tables in order to align them with the windows, the photograph shows some airline seating.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-sends-average-of-28-apologies-every-day-1-4319652The train operator has said sorry to 10,026 travellers so far this year...via Twitter - an average of 28 a day.
The seating layout is the same as the previously refurbished Inverness 158s - bit strange that the Haymarket units weren't done 1st, they are in a terrible state! Does look a lot brighter than before, but not exactly a comprehensive refurbishment - no change to traction package, etc. Also, they have those cursed 'grammer' seats that FGW have on their HSTs - better than the Haymarket unit seating, but hardly comfortable - strange seat pitch (like being forced to sit in the 'crash position'), very high backed and not much more cushioning than a wooden bench!
Personally, I prefer Airline seating (if I'm on my own) as, being 6' 2", I find they have more legroom.
My fear is that our refurbished HSTs will have the same seating...
This is getting boring now, Just firing up Scotsman articles, are you the journo?ScotRail sends average of 28 apologies every day
http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-sends-average-of-28-apologies-every-day-1-4319652
This is getting boring now, Just firing up Scotsman articles, are you the journo?
The HSTs aren't getting new seats when they come from GWR.
I'm a similar height to you and find them very comfortable personally.
Perhaps, when individuals are expressing their view of the seating accommodation on any unit, it should be railforums policy that they should also disclose:-
Height
Weight
Inside Leg
Waist
Chest
& Neck measurements
All in metric.
Only with this information is it possible to put the posters view into context.
And this is the promised 'scenic refurb'? Bit of a let down compared to the plan posted here which shows table bays the whole length of the carriage. Airline seating has its benifits but, without designing the window spacing to fit or going crazy with legroom, is it possible to avoid giving some passengers a solid pillar to look at?The seating layout is the same as the previously refurbished Inverness 158s
I'm probably at least that myself and find that Arriva Trains Wales' 150s, 153s and Pacers are terrible in airline seating. Only the table bays really have room for my knees, but I don't think I've found a table which aligns with the windows on those units. The legroom in airline seating in ATW 158s and FirstGWR IC125s is just about ok, but I would like a little more really. The 175/180 layout is the only airline seating I've sampled that completely satisfies in terms of legroom (but the seats are a bit hard for myy liking). I still prefer a table bay with good window alignment if travelling with a friend or family member though (I do go for airline seating when alone; unless the train is quiet enough to have a table to myself).Also, they have those cursed 'grammer' seats that FGW have on their HSTs - better than the Haymarket unit seating, but hardly comfortable - strange seat pitch (like being forced to sit in the 'crash position'), very high backed and not much more cushioning than a wooden bench!
Personally, I prefer Airline seating (if I'm on my own) as, being 6' 2", I find they have more legroom.
And this is the promised 'scenic refurb'? Bit of a let down compared to the plan posted here which shows table bays the whole length of the carriage. Airline seating has its benifits but, without designing the window spacing to fit or going crazy with legroom, is it possible to avoid giving some passengers a solid pillar to look at?
How many 170s have now been refurbished and whats being done?
Not had a refurbed one yet, is it just seat covers, carpets and power sockets?
with the exception of additional plug sockets for the rest of the fleet in standard class.
The political element of this is interesting as we don't really know what everyone bid.
We know the winning bid proposed returning 170s, some have already gone. The Scottish government have since done a deal to retain more of them and release 158s instead- such hero's.
What we will never know is if the 2nd place bidders bid is actually now better value for money as no 170s would have left the franchise in the first place?
I find it frustrating how governments accept a franchise then absorb themselves of responsibility when the bid the accepted doesnt work out. (This applies to the UK as well with GTR). The resources are streatched to thinly at the moment. Transport Scotland created and award the tender so they are just as liable.
I left Scotland in the first few months of the franchise. The 170s were getting missed even then.
It looks to me that they're going through the ones needing the full refurb first before moving on to putting power in the first batch of Saltires, there's still a lot of apparently refreshed units running around with no power in Standard.
Does anyone know why they did that first lot without sockets, it's not like it was that long ago?