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Just to work the Shotts route ?
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So we're the stories of gauging problems with 158s on the WHL unfounded?
There are minor gauging issues which NR Will rectify. One of their tasks in the next Period is to ensure that the whole Scotrail network is accessible to any BR-guage stock. (There have had to be last-minute mods to allow the Flying Scotsman.) I just wish that this included axle loads. My bit is restricted by its 20-ton limit.
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How about the 360s? Or even the 365s? They're both being made redundant by New Abellio stock and crossrail and the new 700s and 387s respectively.
Thats what the government have asked for, they might reconsider when the see the cost of such nonsense
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Interesting . Wonder if they will via Dumfries to Carlisle or able to strengthen EK services ?
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158's on the WHL is December 2018.
Blindtraveler
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Just in time for the nasty Richmond seats that are horrifyingly being retained in the Haymarket units to deteriorate again.
158 is not cleared for passenger service on the EK route and wouldn't offer any real benefits to the route due to the relatively low line speed of 50mph. Likewise on the GSW there wouldn't be much benefit of using a 158 as capacity wise there is not much difference. More 156 units will be made available for EK and GSW services when the 158 takes over the WHL services in 2018. Borders services will also be strengthened by additional 158s when HST comes.
Both are better suited to medium distance services in my opinion, whereas trains going into Greater Glasgow would need to be suited to metro style to medium distance services.
In which case a Desiro City model but with half tables and fold aways on seat backs would do the job perfectly - ie be able to handle more passengers, better suited to the routes, and would last much much longer than the 365s and 360s. Capacity is hindered on trains like the Networkers, Junipers and original Desiros due to how the gangways, seating layouts, and the vestibules are set out.
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It is still irksome that a 170 got the special livery and the whole service became 158 when the world stopped looking...although they did put on 170s when the Flying Scotsman went down and the world was looking again. :roll:
Anyway on the subject of refurbishments, I traveled on newly-refurbished 156506 and retro-stylee shabby-chic 156457 on the Shotts line yesterday. Bit of a difference there ! ... enough for at least a two page 'Compare and Contrast' essay.
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Looks like 318250 is on its way back to Shields from Doncaster:- http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K96345/2017/09/13/advanced
If so, it means the only one to come back up is 268.
EDIT (14/09): Another move today, this time from Shields to Doncaster. Anyone know what it was?
If so, it means the only one to come back up is 268.
EDIT (14/09): Another move today, this time from Shields to Doncaster. Anyone know what it was?
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GaryMcEwan
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Seen recently over the last couple of weeks that some of the refurbed 170s and 318s have a sign in the cab with a big 'X' on it and 'Multi Unit Restriction'
What exactly does this mean?
What exactly does this mean?
That at least that end cannot couple (for some reason) to other units.
It means they can't be coupled at that end, could be any of several reasons for it.
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170420 went to Kilmarnock a few days ago for repaint/refurbish etc thus ending the first scotrail livery on the 170s. Also, all 170s are now refurbished/repainted.
318258 went south last week to Doncaster for unknown reasons.
318258 went south last week to Doncaster for unknown reasons.
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Blindtraveler
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Not including the ones going to Northern I take it?
Are the SPT interior ones done yet?
Are the SPT interior ones done yet?
GaryMcEwan
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170470 has recently been refurbed as is now back in service. They've kept it as a 3 car standard class train.
Altnabreac
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So non Saltire liveries I now reckon there are:
17 x 156s in (debranded) First Scotrail livery
14 x 158s in (debranded) First Scotrail livery
1 x 170 in BTP livery
4 x 170 in plain blue livery (these being 4 of the 5 subleased from Southern)
12 x 314s in ex SPT livery
17 x 156s in (debranded) First Scotrail livery
14 x 158s in (debranded) First Scotrail livery
1 x 170 in BTP livery
4 x 170 in plain blue livery (these being 4 of the 5 subleased from Southern)
12 x 314s in ex SPT livery
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158740 is now refurbed/painted.
Blindtraveler
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Im still anoyed the haymarket batch have not had new seats, smacks of cheepness which given the news of financial struggles makes sense but doesnt get away from the fact that some of this is turd pollishing. I assume the slice the table out, weld a new bit of leg on, refit and install mew seats still hasnt occured to the people responsible for the 156s yet?
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318262 now heading south to Doncaster, the second of the already refurbished sets to return south.
Looking at the order the refurbs were done (http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Class+318+Relivery+Refurbishment+2013-2016), 318258 and 262 were done 7th and 8th respectively.
Not sure if that is of any significance as to why they've been sent back.
EDIT: This thread: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=154059 sheds some light on why already refurbished units are heading back.
Looking at the order the refurbs were done (http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Class+318+Relivery+Refurbishment+2013-2016), 318258 and 262 were done 7th and 8th respectively.
Not sure if that is of any significance as to why they've been sent back.
EDIT: This thread: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=154059 sheds some light on why already refurbished units are heading back.
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I make it 16 156s - all those between 446-465 (10 units), plus 474/77/78/85/93/96, with 467 having been the last done.
158s down to 13 now with 158740 being done now.
ScottDarg
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Looking around on Wikipedia and only just saw this on the page for the Class 320:
Are these in the process of being done? Assuming the quote is correct and those units have been released.
Again assuming the quote is correct, I assume the refurbs for the original 320s will begin when these 3 are in service, or when the 318 refurb programme is totally finished.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_320#Class_320.2F4_Units)
Are these in the process of being done? Assuming the quote is correct and those units have been released.
Again assuming the quote is correct, I assume the refurbs for the original 320s will begin when these 3 are in service, or when the 318 refurb programme is totally finished.
Blindtraveler
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What are the 320s having done, other than socket fitment?
Refering to the orrigonal batch.
Refering to the orrigonal batch.
Last I heard there is still one of yhe additional 3 still at Leicester. One of the 3 was still a 321 parked in yard at Wabtec and no idea on the other.
There has been no official word from Scotrail on these 3, so it may not happen
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