Slight changes you would make to liveries to make them nicer

[Domh245]

Not my neatest attempt at livery tweaking, but one of the "what-if" scenarios that I was idly thinking about recently

 

[Doomotron]

Not my neatest attempt at livery tweaking, but one of the "what-if" scenarios that I was idly thinking about recently

That doesn't even look half bad!

 

[physics34]

Can someone mock up a 377 in blue /grey (with prm-tsi compliant grey doors). Cheers

 

[jfowkes]

Are we only allowed "styling" changes - i.e. nothing functional?

If not, I'd like to see the new Northern 195s/331s with decent wheelchair/bike space external signage as per the Sprinter fleet.

 

[Goldfish62]

Also a couple of Class 465 Networkers, just two this time (best give the servers a rest).

(class 465 se white front)

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(class 465 se blue front)

Both look good.

 

[Doomotron]

I think lots of people don't like the Voyagers because they look too 'thin'. Can someone try to do a Voyager but with the yellow wrapping around the front a bit more, like the EMT HSTs?

 

[PudseyBearHST]

Hello. Can anyone do a HST in Transpennine Livery please? Appreciate this isn’t a ‘slight’ change but curious as to how it would look. Thanks

 

[LOL The Irony]

Hello. Can anyone do a HST in Transpennine Livery please? Appreciate this isn’t a ‘slight’ change but curious as to how it would look. Thanks

It's been done before somewhere on this thread.

 

[PudseyBearHST]

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It's been done before somewhere on this thread.

Thanks for the reply, found it on Post 344.

 

[Domh245]

Something a little more 3D

 

[LOL The Irony]

Something a little more 3D

Nice job. How about extending the dark blue & purple around the front valence?

 

[Whistler40145]

Something a little more 3D

Now that looks good

 

[PudseyBearHST]

Something a little more 3D

Thanks, exactly what I wanted. Looks good. Then again, there is no such thing as a bad livery on a HST.

 

[najaB]

Nice job. How about extending the dark blue & purple around the front valence?

Wouldn't be allowed in real life, sorry to say.

 

[K.o.R]

Wouldn't be allowed in real life, sorry to say.

Really? I'm sure I remember them having about that much yellow in GNER days.

 

[najaB]

Really? I'm sure I remember them having about that much yellow in GNER days.

As I remember it, when GNER had the dark lower panel at the front, the entire upper part of the front was yellow. A Google image search supports the idea: https://images.app.goo.gl/xaNnonGjp6oPT49j8

 

[Goldfish62]

As I remember it, when GNER had the dark lower panel at the front, the entire upper part of the front was yellow. A Google image search supports the idea: https://images.app.goo.gl/xaNnonGjp6oPT49j8

And every FGW liveried power car had less yellow again as it didn't cover the headlight surrounds, so such an arrangement is obviously allowed.

 

[Domh245]

That is of course, assuming the yellow has to stay!

 

[najaB]

That is of course, assuming the yellow has to stay!

I don't think that anyone has retrofitted HSTs with headlights of sufficient intensity to eliminate the need for yellow fronts. That livery is death on wheels.

 

[najaB]

And every FGW liveried power car had less yellow again as it didn't cover the headlight surrounds, so such an arrangement is obviously allowed.

The window "pillars" were yellow though, no?

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[Domh245]

I don't think that anyone has retrofitted HSTs with headlights of sufficient intensity to eliminate the need for yellow fronts. That livery is death on wheels.

Nobody has so far, but TPE have retrofitted their 185s with suitable lights operating in the correct fashion (although not ditching the yellow fronts) - it's not the most outlandish thing on here to suggest that TPE would similarly retrofit any HST to allow removal of the yellow front

 

[Royston Vasey]

And every FGW liveried power car had less yellow again as it didn't cover the headlight surrounds, so such an arrangement is obviously allowed.

Original Grand Central had the least of all, and less than is being proposed by painting the valence blue and purple as the headlight surrounds would remain yellow.

 

[najaB]

... it's not the most outlandish thing on here to suggest that TPE would similarly retrofit any HST...

Seeing as TPE has a fleet of brand new trains, many of which are sitting idle, it's getting pretty far into outlandish territory.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Just to clear it up, any train not fitted with 'super dazzling' headlights has to have at least one third of the front surface area painted warning-yellow. That's why HSTs that have the windscreen width yellow panel have it carried down to the lower section. If they have it full width, just the upper section is sufficient.

 

[Royston Vasey]

Just to clear it up, any train not fitted with 'super dazzling' headlights has to have at least one third of the front surface area painted warning-yellow. That's why HSTs that have the windscreen width yellow panel have it carried down to the lower section. If they have it full width, just the upper section is sufficient.

It's not measured as a fraction of the front surface and it's much less than you'd think.

I believe it's still 1 sq m with a minimum dimension of 0.6 m.

 

[Domh245]

Just to clear it up, any train not fitted with 'super dazzling' headlights has to have at least one third of the front surface area painted warning-yellow. That's why HSTs that have the windscreen width yellow panel have it carried down to the lower section. If they have it full width, just the upper section is sufficient.

The requirement is for a minimum of 1m^2 of yellow, with a minimum dimension of 0.6m - not just "a third"

Worth noting that GC ran two variations of minimal yellow - on the original livery a full-width section that extended from above the headlights to just below the windscreen, and on the second a window-width section down to the point of the nose so clearly either works!

 

[SteveyBee131]

Please accept my apologies! I'm sure I read ⅓ somewhere but it was probably many moons ago and so obviously not up to date!

 

[LOL The Irony]

Wouldn't be allowed in real life, sorry to say.

I thought only 1M2 had to be yellow?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Seeing as TPE has a fleet of brand new trains, many of which are sitting idle, it's getting pretty far into outlandish territory.

Not as outlandish as you might think. Has BR acquired more HSTs than they were allowed at the time of introduction some would have ended up on TPE routes by the mid 1980s.

 

[najaB]

I thought only 1M2 had to be yellow?

I stand to be corrected, but I believe it's the area as viewed head-on that matters, so since HST front ends slope more than 1m^2 has to actually be painted.