Southeastern Refurbished Class 375

[Jedipickles]

Is that all the /7s done now then?

Nearly as 375715 should return next week, then 375609 returns followed by 375801

 

[387star]

The only reason 375/3s didn't have it moved is because moving it would increase the seating rather than reduce it. 375/9s will have the First Class moved like every other 4 car 375.

the /9 have 3+2 throughout will the seating layout remain the same?

if the first class is shifted like you say does this mean ironing board seats by the cab end? do they have 2+2 both ends at the moment?

I hope the southern units will also receive this refurbishment

they already have replaced side panels and the carpet is fine (pretty neutral) so all they need is blue vice yellow handrails etc and new seat covers then an external repaint

 

[MrB]

Nearly as 375715 should return next week, then 375609 returns followed by 375801

Ok cheers.

 

[Jedipickles]

Originally Posted by Temple
The following have been refreshed, in order of completion:

375301
375306
375304
375308
375307
375302
375309
375303
375305
375310

375617
375605
375616
375620
375626
375615
375610
375625
375607
375619
375624
375606
375629
375622
375621
375628
375627
375608
375611
375623
375618
375613
375612
375603
375630
375614
375604
375602
375601

375704
375707
375706
375708
375705
375711
375712
375710
375714
375702
375713
375703
375709
375701
375715

The following are currently at Derby...

375609
375801

All the 375/7s have been completed.

The drags will happen every 2 weeks due to a change in maintenance demand.

 

[Class 466]

375909 was taken away for refurbishment yesterday

 

[superalbs]

375909 was taken away for refurbishment yesterday

Is it still the plan to keep the nasty current seats?

 

[MrB]

375909 was taken away for refurbishment yesterday

Why aren't the 375/8s the next to go?

 

[387star]

Maybe rip out some seats ?

I wonder if the ex southern units will go straight into the refurbishment cycle to get them rebranded etc not that is the most important concern!

 

[Jedipickles]

Originally Posted by Temple
The following have been refreshed, in order of completion:

375301
375306
375304
375308
375307
375302
375309
375303
375305
375310

375617
375605
375616
375620
375626
375615
375610
375625
375607
375619
375624
375606
375629
375622
375621
375628
375627
375608
375611
375623
375618
375613
375612
375603
375630
375614
375604
375602
375601

375704
375707
375706
375708
375705
375711
375712
375710
375714
375702
375713
375703
375709
375701
375715

375609

The following are currently at Derby...

375801
375909

 

[Class 466]

Why aren't the 375/8s the next to go?

The 375/8/9s will be refurbished at the same time. They'll retain the same seats. Although I'm now lead to believe the 375/9s will have just 12 first Class seats behind one of the cabs like the 375/3s - to further increase the standard Class capacity.

 

[MrB]

The 375/8/9s will be refurbished at the same time. They'll retain the same seats. Although I'm now lead to believe the 375/9s will have just 12 first Class seats behind one of the cabs like the 375/3s - to further increase the standard Class capacity.

Thanks, your knowledge is invaluable.

 

[321over360]

The 375/8/9s will be refurbished at the same time. They'll retain the same seats. Although I'm now lead to believe the 375/9s will have just 12 first Class seats behind one of the cabs like the 375/3s - to further increase the standard Class capacity.

Makes sense to reduce First Class to just one end of the train on the 375/9s and keep it where it is as more complicated than the 375/6/7/8s as it has the 3 + 2 ironing board seats in Standard Class areas whereas the 375/6/7/8 seats in 2+2 format were easier as was just a case of moving the cloth that says 1st Class rather than a whole seat

 

[Alteran Ancient]

Makes sense to reduce First Class to just one end of the train on the 375/9s and keep it where it is as more complicated than the 375/6/7/8s as it has the 3 + 2 ironing board seats in Standard Class areas whereas the 375/6/7/8 seats in 2+2 format were easier as was just a case of moving the cloth that says 1st Class rather than a whole seat

The 375/9s actually pre-date the era of ironing-board seats. Those were only first introduced on the 377/6s.

Funnily enough, I can't decide which ones are more comfortable. The high-capacity 3 + 2 seats do seem to have nicer cushioning.

 

[387star]

Could you do your ironing on them if the seat back was used as an ironing board ? If yes then they are ironing board seats also I'd say certainly

 

[chubs]

I used to hate the seats on the /9's. So uncomfortable for a 90 min journey.

 

[59CosG95]

I used to hate the seats on the /9's. So uncomfortable for a 90 min journey.

The /9s, IIRC, weren't actually given an interior spec for longer journeys-they were meant to do outer suburban duties, saving the comfy seats for the /7s and /6s. But of course, operational farces occur and the /9s wound their way onto London-Dover services.

 

[MrB]

The /9s, IIRC, weren't actually given an interior spec for longer journeys-they were meant to do outer suburban duties, saving the comfy seats for the /7s and /6s. But of course, operational farces occur and the /9s wound their way onto London-Dover services.

I heard that the /9s were ordered to provide extra capacity on peak time services. I'm currently on a train formed of 3 x 375/9 now and it's definitely not a comfortable experience!!

 

[Alteran Ancient]

The /9s, IIRC, weren't actually given an interior spec for longer journeys-they were meant to do outer suburban duties, saving the comfy seats for the /7s and /6s. But of course, operational farces occur and the /9s wound their way onto London-Dover services.

The 2K06 Victoria to Dover Priory that runs every morning has been sporting a 465 for the last month or so. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who have to ride that one all the way to Dover!

 

[Class 466]

The 2K06 Victoria to Dover Priory that runs every morning has been sporting a 465 for the last month or so. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who have to ride that one all the way to Dover!

465s have been used on through to Dover again since January 2015. Most people would get the Faster 1Pxx service that is always a 375.
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The /9s, IIRC, weren't actually given an interior spec for longer journeys-they were meant to do outer suburban duties, saving the comfy seats for the /7s and /6s. But of course, operational farces occur and the /9s wound their way onto London-Dover services.

They go to Dover because that's what they're diagrammed to do. 12 coaches of normal 375s don't provide anywhere near enough capacity for the busiest services. Hence the 375/9s.

They do a good job and serve the purpose well. It's no worse than sending a 450 to Portsmouth or a 350/2 to Crewe - both of which happen daily.

 

[387star]

I wonder why southern 377s mostly have at least two coaches of 3+2 wheeas southeastern have the more luxurious 2+2 with the comfier seating also

Is it because they run longer journies or are less busy and can afford to have fewer seats- with networkers and 376s , 375/9s taking the busy loads.

Or maybe just because they were built earlier as southerns first batch had 2+2 throughout

Either way the 375/3-8 must be among the comfiest electrostars in the country

 

[SEClass375]

Went on a 375/9 (unrefurbished) yesterday and i found as a pleasant surprise that my drop down table did not squeak unlike the rest. Probably due to the screws being looser in the joints.

 

[physics34]

I wonder why southern 377s mostly have at least two coaches of 3+2 wheeas southeastern have the more luxurious 2+2 with the comfier seating also

Is it because they run longer journies or are less busy and can afford to have fewer seats- with networkers and 376s , 375/9s taking the busy loads.

Or maybe just because they were built earlier as southerns first batch had 2+2 throughout

Either way the 375/3-8 must be among the comfiest electrostars in the country

377s replaced VEPs, VOPs (high density) and CIGs... there was also an issue at the time as to whether Southerns 377s would have first class or not. This is why there is a mumble jumble of seating patterns.

The 2x2 SOuthern ones i guess were meant to directly replace CIGs but have since been found on anything..... even metro.

 

[MrB]

Went on a 375/9 (unrefurbished) yesterday and i found as a pleasant surprise that my drop down table did not squeak unlike the rest. Probably due to the screws being looser in the joints.

Haha surely this will be fixed during the refurb.

 

[clockend]

Although 375/9s have less padded seats and are 3+2, the seat pitch is much better than 375s with 2+2. 395s a good compromise.

 

[43096]

377s replaced VEPs, VOPs (high density) and CIGs... there was also an issue at the time as to whether Southerns 377s would have first class or not. This is why there is a mumble jumble of seating patterns.

The 2x2 SOuthern ones i guess were meant to directly replace CIGs but have since been found on anything..... even metro.

I think it is two different approaches to VEP/CIG replacement. Southern went for a hybrid (2 cars 3+2 as VEP replacement, 2 cars 2+2 as CIG replacement), whereas Southeastern has 375/9 as VEP replacement and other 375s as CEP/CIG replacement.

There are merits to both approaches, thought the Southern approach is more flexible from a fleet management perspective as units are interchangeable on diagrams.

 

[bgstrowger]

Currently on the refurbished 375801. It seems they've not put the arctic camouflage covers on the tables.

 

[class387]

There's a picture here of 375801 refurbished (not mine):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129961501@N03/30457442436/in/photolist-NpjBNx-Mzk9aq-NpqdcC-NpqmvS-MuMqqP-MvQ6oW-MLwpyW-MHxRzV-MHxUPk-MPpmHv-LRZzTp-MWw1vX-Mn9CQS-MSwdkB-MngQih-MR8Kj2-ML8v3h-LSRGqH-MNK8jH-MKK9HJ-Mq1kNW-LwJy22-KXWsA3-LgvrBx-JTLwqQ-Hvvpt7-GNrVij-GeJt7K-FVYbLY-GjowUZ-Gjozcp-FV59Pg-C47jSb-BJufaY-C4fL9R-yxprci-y2f8DD-x1Ggdb-ARq7x1-xZrPXf-vp2pCc-xZiSYS-uKG3bX-u8S9JY-uq3p4A-ttqXZU-t3zdPM-AtWzmR-BrmN6H-su1qEm

I think the 375s with the new style light clusters look really smart in blue.

 

[yorksrob]

There's a picture here of 375801 refurbished (not mine):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129961501@N03/30457442436/in/photolist-NpjBNx-Mzk9aq-NpqdcC-NpqmvS-MuMqqP-MvQ6oW-MLwpyW-MHxRzV-MHxUPk-MPpmHv-LRZzTp-MWw1vX-Mn9CQS-MSwdkB-MngQih-MR8Kj2-ML8v3h-LSRGqH-MNK8jH-MKK9HJ-Mq1kNW-LwJy22-KXWsA3-LgvrBx-JTLwqQ-Hvvpt7-GNrVij-GeJt7K-FVYbLY-GjowUZ-Gjozcp-FV59Pg-C47jSb-BJufaY-C4fL9R-yxprci-y2f8DD-x1Ggdb-ARq7x1-xZrPXf-vp2pCc-xZiSYS-uKG3bX-u8S9JY-uq3p4A-ttqXZU-t3zdPM-AtWzmR-BrmN6H-su1qEm

I think the 375s with the new style light clusters look really smart in blue.

I have to say, that is a nice livery.

 

[Class377/5]

They remind me of the unliveried 377/5.

 

[yorksrob]

At least they're not grey - contrary to the current fashion