I presume "colleagues" includes "your competitors' employees" in this instance , as TOCs are in direct competition on some routes. Most peoples definition of colleague means someone who works for the same company
f I decide to let someone travel for free it is up to me . . . .
I would see someone who is within the same overall organisation who is working with you to achieve a common goal, to be a colleague, even if they work for a separate company. It's common for catering staff, cleaners etc to work for a different company for example....Most peoples definition of colleague means someone who works for the same company
The guard is an 'authorised person' so yes, it is up to him.Is it up to you? This is a genuine question as a genuinely don't know what the scope of your discretion is. Is the company's official line that you have discretion to allow people to travel for free?
The guard is an 'authorised person' so yes, it is up to him.
I presume "colleagues" includes "your competitors' employees" in this instance , as TOCs are in direct competition on some routes. Most peoples definition of colleague means someone who works for the same company
So what does the TOC get in return when one of their employees permits someone to travel without paying for a ticket. Umm, nothing.
When it was BR it was one big organisation, then some pen pushers decided to privytise it so their Barrister/ solicitor mates could make obscene amounts of money out of the franchise go round process.I presume "colleagues" includes "your competitors' employees" in this instance , as TOCs are in direct competition on some routes.
Most peoples definition of colleague means someone who works for the same company
Thats all i wanted to know its just that there could be problems with some staff allowing it and others not and some staff getting upset about it.
So what does the TOC get in return when one of their employees permits someone to travel without paying for a ticket. Umm, nothing....
So what do Tesco, Asda etc get from letting their staff "buy" their shopping at cost price?
What do Halifax/ LLoyds TSB/ Santander etc get from allowing their staff mortgages and loans at preferential rates?
Which routes have genuine/ serious competition then.
That is 2 or more TOCs having the same numbers of trains with similar running times and fares as each other!
The point is not what the company gets out of offering such perks, but that the perks have been authorised by the company in those cases, whereas that is not the case for all inter-TOC staff travel as far as I am aware
So what do Tesco, Asda etc get from letting their staff "buy" their shopping at cost price?
In general terms, most employers do not provide free, across-the-board access to whatever it is they make, sell, provide etc.
. . . its one of the few perks we have left.
To be blunt its more enthusiasts that seem to have more of a problem with it.....
....The notion, mentioned earlier, of this arrangement providing free help to on-train staff in the event of trouble is specious at best. I doubt a member of staff on a train would refuse to help if they happened to have the valid ticket that the byelaws requires. They are free help insomuch as individually they are willing to help.
....To be blunt its more enthusiasts that seem to have more of a problem with it whuich surprises me no end
Ah - "one railway". So if I use a VT only ticket on a London Midland train that'll be OK will it?
Can some staff here try to imagine why passengers, subject to UFNs and worse for honest mistakes, might object to staff being given free travel when not actually entitled to it?
The Traincrew/RPI's are NOT responsible for the mess that is privatisation! complain to the people who privatised the railways and NOT the staff who have to deal with the ridiculous rules say in and day out. I personally will not UFN etc. for an honest mistake. point your ire in the direction of the fat cats and not us
I think the point that exile was making wasn't whether privatisation is good or bad, but that the your approach isn't consistent. It's "one railway" when its staff travelling, but separate TOCs when customers are travelling
Its more of a tradition, if management were concerned there would be memo's etc flying around but there never is and I know Northern are actively pursuing a deal that would make it official seems to be the odd stumbling block in the way. To be blunt its more enthusiasts that seem to have more of a problem with it which surprises me no end
I think this might be down to taxation. Officially giving free travel might be taxed as a perk, but if it is down to a nod and a wink, or staff discretion, or everybody knows you don't charge up priv holders, or whatever, then the taxman won't come knocking. A similar arrangement applies with life insurance written under trust. It is not taxable on the recipient of the payout as legally the trustees have discretion as to whom to pay it to.