Glenn1969
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RTT shows the 2240 as terminating at Woking with no mention of a service to Worplesdon and Guildford. I hope any stranded passengers manage to get home
There was no mention of any cause at Waterloo. Or any other useful information.A fire at Portsmouth is of course the companies fault.
Well we've got to Guildford, and initially no southbound train shown, every destination south shown as "please enquire".RTT shows the 2240 as terminating at Woking with no mention of a service to Worplesdon and Guildford. I hope any stranded passengers manage to get home
Thanks, the feelings mutual from me too .A thread on Twitter was recently shared by an ex CEO type person of SSWT, basically the business case wasn’t there to try and introduce DOO because the TOC had to take the risk, currently the DfT take the risk under FMTR, hence why they’re pushing for DOO. They went on to say they believe DOO is perfectly safe but OBS method is preferable for passengers.
Personally I believe at least one thread per TOC should be open to allow discussion of DOO and the pros and cons. There’s a few on here such as @Carlisle and @Robertj21a that I don’t agree with but wouldn’t dream of being nasty towards just because we have a difference of opinion. I’m well aware that I’m not going to convince them otherwise, and that they’re not going to turn my opinion, but there still needs to be a channel for people to vent.
the southern service to portsmouth via hove was packedMore cr*p from SWR tonight. Last down train on Portsmouth Direct was supposed to be 22:30, the later ones having been cancelled due to Guard's strike. Now the 22:30 has been cancelled too, so Pompey pax told to join 22:40 stopping train to Guildford, where there "should" be a train "or bus" to take passengers onwards. (Quotes are from SWR staff at Waterloo.) The 22:40 is 8 car 455 which is full and standing from CLJ.
I have not much faith that there will be anything at Guildford, and even if there is, I'll be very late home.
How much longer can this abysmal company continue failing its passengers this way and still not be penalised?
A very worrying trend with SWR is that last trains no longer seem to be sacrosanct. Recently, pre-strike, the last down Reading at 2350 from Waterloo was started from Staines. This left passengers between Waterloo and Feltham stranded. Yes, the national conditions of carriage require the railway to get you home in such circumstances but there wouldn't have been any staff around to arrange any taxis, so it would have been a long wait until the 0505 from Waterloo.More cr*p from SWR tonight. Last down train on Portsmouth Direct was supposed to be 22:30, the later ones having been cancelled due to Guard's strike. Now the 22:30 has been cancelled too, so Pompey pax told to join 22:40 stopping train to Guildford, where there "should" be a train "or bus" to take passengers onwards. (Quotes are from SWR staff at Waterloo.) The 22:40 is 8 car 455 which is full and standing from CLJ.
I have not much faith that there will be anything at Guildford, and even if there is, I'll be very late home.
How much longer can this abysmal company continue failing its passengers this way and still not be penalised?
A very worrying trend with SWR is that last trains no longer seem to be sacrosanct. Recently, pre-strike, the last down Reading at 2350 from Waterloo was started from Staines. This left passengers between Waterloo and Feltham stranded. Yes, the national conditions of carriage require the railway to get you home in such circumstances but there wouldn't have been any staff around to arrange any taxis, so it would have been a long wait until the 0505 from Waterloo.
last night however, it’s naughty the last one didn’t run all the way through. Only 2 circumstances should have prevented it, lack of goodwill/hours for the crew or that the down service would interfere with a critical overnight possession
Only a minor point, but the 22:40 was extended to Guildford and the connection was made there. The Portsmouth train arrived empty at Guildford.The 22.30 Waterloo - Pompey started at Woking connecting out the 22.40 Waterloo - Woking at Woking.
My second sentence pointed out that this was pre-strike.There is no obligation to run any services in a strike, in some cases there is no service provided at all. They are however obliged to refund your ticket if there is no service advised before your journey starts.
Whilst previously last trains have been maintained that I understand wasn’t possible with the length of this strike. In many rail strikes of years gone by across the network services have only been provided between 0700 and 1900 for example.
If help point calls aren't answered, keep trying. Sometimes if control are otherwise occupied, they can't always answer things straight away, but they should do in due course.Agreed that it’s scary last trains aren’t running, there’s been several occasions where the default answer is to ‘use the help point to arrange a taxi’ of which the help point rings and rings before eventually getting diverted to a general NRE call centre in India who can’t help.
How do striking SWR Guards feel about returning to work after this dispute? They will have to face Guards who have worked through (never in RMT or have quit) who have had to deal with disgruntled passengers; other passenger facing staff will have been in the same boat. Then there will be the passengers themselves. Must be some nervousness I would have thought? And morale must surely be through the floor.
I personally disagree with the strike but equally these are human beings and mentally it must be taking a toll just as it is for passengers.
I think there will be grudges all round. Guard on guard, passengers on guard, guard on management, guard on RMT.I think you’re over thinking it, the ones who were on strike will be the ones holding grudges against their colleagues who chose to come in, not the other way round.
I think there will be grudges all round. Guard on guard, passengers on guard, guard on management, guard on RMT.
Evidence throughout history does seem to suggest there’s at least some substance to that line of thinkingNothing unusual of a bully. A lot of ‘passionate’ Union types are nothing more than bullies.
I'm told that Hopwood is much better at building bridges than Mellors. He'll need to be!yeah I think you’ve pretty much summed it up, I also get the impression there’s some hard feelings between drivers and guards too. Some drivers dislike the guards who crossed the picket, but some RMT guards are disappointed in those drivers who didn’t. No wonder morale is through the floor.
It’ll require more effort than he displayed in trying to solve the GWR dispute if SWR ultimately want to secure anything at all meaningful after all these strikesI'm told that Hopwood is much better at building bridges than Mellors. He'll need to be!
yeah I think you’ve pretty much summed it up, I also get the impression there’s some hard feelings between drivers and guards too. Some drivers dislike the guards who crossed the picket, but some RMT guards are disappointed in those drivers who didn’t. No wonder morale is through the floor.
Not particularly surprising if true, Ive always accepted most of today’s rail industrial relations problems originate from the short termisim of franchising alongside some poor management throughout, or in some instances prior to, that period, rather than primarily with unionsWell if you believe the letter leaked online somewhere from a guard who is working , apparently they feel under appreciated and unsupported by management.
Not particularly surprising if true, Ive always accepted most of today’s rail industrial relations problems originate from the short termisim of franchising & poor management generally rather than unions .
(b) to work for the supersession of the capitalist system by a socialistic order of society
It would also be helpful if the RMT's Constitution didn't include this:-
Exactly. The railway's industrial relations seem to be in a 1970s timewarp, characterised by militant unions (singular in this case) and very poor management. It takes two to tango, as they say.Not particularly surprising if true, Ive always accepted most of today’s rail industrial relations problems originate from the short termisim of franchising alongside some poor management throughout, or in some instances prior to, that period, rather than primarily with unions
Or maybe some guards despise SOME drivers and SOME platform staff. Drivers/guards pretty supportive of each other at my depot.While some drivers don't want DOO and would love to see an end to this dispute, it's fair to say that many drivers are aware of pay at other companies and the fact that, when commission Is taken into consideration, a fair few commercial guards are earning almost as much as drivers , with commercial guards starting at just over £40k
A snippet of a conversation I happened to overhear at Waterloo last week between two Fratton guards who were working would suggest that there would be appear to be some guards who despise drivers and platform staff as well.
Or maybe some guards despise SOME drivers and SOME platform staff. Drivers/guards pretty supportive of each other at my depot.
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