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WCRC banned from running trains on the mainline from 18th Feb 2016 now rescinded
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D1009
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Except when it's unsocial.
ilkestonian
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But its quite possible for someone to be unable to drive a particular type or types of traction because of a health issue which another operator might not use.
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Many variables and possibilities!
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It's certainly not a trial though. There are no binding verdicts or sentences here, it's all just impotent hearsay. Nothing that would force someone to do or to not do anything against their will.
Don't know about trains, but haulage companies are required by law to verify that every driver has the correct licence in place before they drive. They also have to keep records of this and can be prosecuted if they don't comply. Would be surprised if the same did not apply to the railways.
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For new starters, and then periodically, I presume? Same as a bus company; you get a request once a year or so to bring your documents in to be photocopied.
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theironroad
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In which case all TOCs better stop using people to work on rest days. On some TOCs at the moment the timetabled service would implode without drivers working their FD.
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Not quite. If you can't drive silver trains but the blue or green train operator puts you through an approved medical and properly certifies you as fit to drive blue or green trains, then you are o.k. to do so. You still can't drive Silver trains though until they are satisfied you are fit.
This is the potentially "unsatisfactory" situation that I alluded to earlier and one that is now exercising minds within the industry. It's just like a professional footballer being not medically fit to play for their club but passed medically fit to play for their country.
If they are medically restricted, then they should be reporting that to the volunteer organisation and excluding themselves.
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There is a thing at the moment with gwr drivers and there rest days am not 100% what has gone on but I know the unions are involved
Exactly. The preserved railway I (also) drive for has a policy that if you are signed off work (whatever your job), you are not allowed to work there either.
A mainline driver should have recognised the need to communicate that he was restricted by his main employer.
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Aslef have withdrawn their sanction for Rest Day working. This is reviewed periodically and can be withdrawn if industrial relations with TOC management are deemed unsatisfactory, as has taken place here.
An official investigation has now been opened into the incident.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36103590
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36103590
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I've just seen this I wonder if WCRC will get suspended again?
I am disappointed that the BBC have decided to use unverified information from a Google Group as the basis of their report.
Especially as they did not read down it far enough to see there are also questions over the driver.
Lankyline
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Interesting quote, wondr which online forum they're referring to ??
"Information posted on an online forum was allegedly taken from a Network Rail (NR) incident log, although NR refused to confirm or deny its authenticity"
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There's no need to wonder, just click on the embedded link in the article. It isn't this one...Interesting quote, wondr which online forum they're referring to ??
Lankyline
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Just to add to WCRC's issues, Network Rail have enacted a "break" clause in the lease and given them notice to quit Southall, possibly by the end of summer. WCRC is also reported to have said they will be looking at cutting back on charters using west & east coast mainlines
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Interesting quote, wondr which online forum they're referring to ??
"Information posted on an online forum was allegedly taken from a Network Rail (NR) incident log, although NR refused to confirm or deny its authenticity"
The details were originally on WNXX
Enforced downsizing by the back door?
Peter Mugridge
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From looking at the photo in Rail 799 of this train, I wonder whether it might in fact have been one of the snowplough elements rather than a loose chain which contacted the third rail at Epsom?
They do look rather low slung.
They do look rather low slung.
Trial starts Monday 27 June.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...r-trial-of-harry-potter-steam-train-operator/
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...r-trial-of-harry-potter-steam-train-operator/
Thanks
If the words in quotes are exact citations, this case will be interesting on points of law. From what we are told by RAIB, the train entered the junction not only after the passage of the HST but also after the route had been reset. Under no way could any other train have been put in danger after the event. Indeed, the reference to high-speed trains is useless as any SPAD is inherently dangerous for any speed of train, and the protections are adapted accordingly.
That said, the WCRC defense could be shown to be optimistic with their claim of an isolated case in 25 years of operation. Any other TOC achieved that?
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