Jeremy Corbyn's Traingate

[61653 HTAFC]

This whole episode has probably helped me decide how I'll vote in the leadership election...

But whilst Corbyn has either been naive or cynical in this episode, I think we all know what would have happened had he taken one of the seats he passed on a train which may or may not have had some standees:

"So-Called "man of the people" Corbyn takes up seat on crowded service!".

 

[WatcherZero]

Sadly TSSA got involved throughout the day in the blind Corbyn faith too, first denying the images showed unreserved seats and then backing the claim of the film maker that spare seats became available because passengers got off...

Perhaps wisely RMT and ASLEF have kept their heads down and not disputed Virgin.

 

[thenorthern]

I must admit its finally go to have some real news again and not just some athlete has won Gold in a sport that on only on BBC One when the Olympics is on.

I don't get though why he is in Standard Class though as senior MPs can claim for First Class travel. Seems to me like he only traveled in Standard Class to make a point about overcrowding that has seriously backfired.

 

[HowardGWR]

Silly season was late this year.

 

[jon0844]

Well, people went mad when George Osborne upgraded to first class, and all sorts of different stories came out.

At least this time there were images.

I find it odd that all of a sudden the media should lay off when the attacks on all other politicians are fair game.

He's particularly non media savvy and naive, but I don't feel any of his supporters will be upset at all or change their minds. He's got a God like status and does seem to be made of Teflon.

The problem is that despite loyal followers he's doing a disservice to the Labour Party which is effectively screwed until he goes. And so is everyone else as the Government has no opposition.

 

[theironroad]

This whole episode has probably helped me decide how I'll vote in the leadership election...

But whilst Corbyn has either been naive or cynical in this episode, I think we all know what would have happened had he taken one of the seats he passed on a train which may or may not have had some standees:

"So-Called "man of the people" Corbyn takes up seat on crowded service!".

Just imagine if he and his aides had sat in those seats with reservation labels, but initially no-one had occupied them. Then 10 minutes into the journey , the original seat holders showed up.........

'corbyn nicked my seat ' screamed the daily mail..
'out of touch, rich politician stole my child's seat' proclaimed the evening standard....and so on and so on

 

[Kendalian]

Tricky Dicky had to make sure he got into the news today, with BA flying back the Olympic Team

 

[theageofthetra]

Its a typical August non story used to keep the gullible occupied whilst other news 'slips' out.

 

[Mainliner]

..people walk past reservations...

Maybe, if the train is half empty, but in my experience if it's busy, and I'm sitting next to a reserved seat, they just ask "Is this anyone's seat?", and if I say no, they sit down.

 

[HowardGWR]

Just imagine if he and his aides had sat in those seats with reservation labels, but initially no-one had occupied them. Then 10 minutes into the journey , the original seat holders showed up.........

'corbyn nicked my seat ' screamed the daily mail..
'out of touch, rich politician stole my child's seat' proclaimed the evening standard....and so on and so on

I already made that point, a few posts ago, but never mind. The idea that one of these Labour members is going to alter their vote, stretches my imagination, although someone has already admitted it will be a deciding factor.

I suppose one has to be interested in all this. I found the videos more interesting on the subject of just how comfortable travelling on these services is, -or not.
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Tricky Dicky had to make sure he got into the news today, with BA flying back the Olympic Team

Who's that?

 

[theageofthetra]

I already made that point, a few posts ago, but never mind. The idea that one of these Labour members is going to alter their vote, stretches my imagination, although someone has already admitted it will be a deciding factor.

I suppose one has to be interested in all this. I found the videos more interesting on the subject of just how comfortable travelling on these services is, -or not.
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Who's that?

V good point. BA had a field day with the majority of team GB lined up in front of an ancient 747-Branson is still a bitter remainer and desperate to be back on a winning side.

 

[theironroad]

As much as beardie would love to get one over ba,i think the timing is probably coincidental.

 

[dk1]

I have no love for Virgin Trains but it's good to see a TOC throw a stone back from time to time.

isn't it just? Not sure why they are so scared of their own shadow. As JK would say "grow a pair" :roll:

 

[theageofthetra]

As much as beardie would love to get one over ba,i think the timing is probably coincidental.

I know several senior PR's & no it isn't coincidence.

 

[bnm]

Newsnight has just begun on BBC2 with Evan Davies sat on the floor!

 

[najaB]

As I say, I doubt the ICO will give a toss, but I'm not comfortable with the way the two Virgin-branded companies have behaved in this.

I doubt the ICO will give a toss as well, but largely because no breach has occurred. To quote from the ICO's CCTV code of practice's section on releasing CCTV images:

When disclosing surveillance images of individuals, particularly when responding to subject access requests, you need to consider whether the identifying features of any of the other individuals in the image need to be obscured. In most cases the privacy intrusion to third party individuals will be minimal and obscuring images will not be required.

However, consideration should be given to the nature and context of the footage.

Example: If footage from a camera that covers the entrance to a drug rehabilitation centre is held, then consider obscuring the images of people entering and leaving it as this could be considered sensitive personal data. This may involve an unfair intrusion into the privacy of the individuals whose information is captured and may cause unwarranted harm or distress. On the other hand, footage of individual’s entering and exiting a bookshop is far less likely to require obscuring.

I would suggest that a train vestibule is more akin to a bookshop than a drug rehab centre.

 

[RichmondCommu]

And you quote the Daily telegraph.....

So, after this we really see champagne socialists in their true colours now don`t we, as if it was ever in doubt. So JC made a booboo. maybe not very wise playing into the fascist right but was it worth the hatred directed at him. Champagne socialism at work yet again.

And you have an issue with the Daily Telegraph because....... Perhaps because the Daily Telegraph has reinforced the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is at best naive and at worst completely out of his depth?

Just out of interest, when you type the "fascist right" who exactly are you referring to? Are you suggesting that the Daily Telegraph is a fascist newspaper?

And as for you insinuating that I'm a Champagne Socialist.... For what it's worth I do far more to help the poor and disadvantaged then any Jeremy Corybn supporter that I've met who's joined the Labour party in the last 12 months. Not to mention helping to fund the party, knocking on doors to canvass support etc.

 

[azz7008]

Have you seen the thread on here where there's not much support for renationalisation? From people who know a few things about the railway, and are far from fat cat managers.

But what we've seen is that there is already an ideal model in the German Railway. My understanding is that that is a superior system compared to the UK (By reading articles and my own limited experience).

I believe the system now is the most dangerous because we have many regional monopolies which can exploit minimal rolling stock for a large demand.

Ultimately my point was that it isn't just a one way street, if regulated properly (no easy feat by any means) a state run railway could be more successful than a privatised one.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Meh. They think that they'll win the day if they can make it stick.

Big business and all that.

Oh I know, horrid big business and all that. You know, those horrid big businesses that one day might be interviewing you for a job?

 

[backontrack]

Oh I know, horrid big business and all that. You know, those horrid big businesses that one day might be interviewing you for a job?

What are you talking about?

 

[azz7008]

This whole episode has probably helped me decide how I'll vote in the leadership election...

But whilst Corbyn has either been naive or cynical in this episode, I think we all know what would have happened had he taken one of the seats he passed on a train which may or may not have had some standees:

"So-Called "man of the people" Corbyn takes up seat on crowded service!".

Why? If you believe Virgin 100% then you haven't seen the bigger picture. Private company annoyed at somebody who was giving them bad PR and supports renationalisation? They have much to gain by 'discrediting' him.

 

[RichmondCommu]

This thread appears to have had a new lease of life today with a veritable plethora of postings made.

Hardly a startling revelation Paul. Your high standards have slipped.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Why? If you believe Virgin 100% then you haven't seen the bigger picture. Private company annoyed at somebody who was giving them bad PR and supports renationalisation? They have much to gain by 'discrediting' him.

Hang on... I didn't say which way I now plan to vote!

In fact the more I think about it the more it muddies the waters. I have issues with both candidates but we already have a thread for that.

 

[RichmondCommu]

What are you talking about?

You moaning about "big business".

 

[faddy]

A quick look at the IPSA rules for MP's expenses (easily found on the web) shows that an MP' s expenses for train travel to their constituency are limited to the price of an Anytime Standard Return. So the MP for Durham was not milking it when she travelled First class. MPs get a fair whack as a salary, and JC gets even more as Leader of the Opposition. So if Roberta was paying her way in First Class, then she was relieving the pressure on the downtrodden working class in Standard, while the people's hero was adding to the crush in solidarity with them. I doubt if they were at all grateful.

So presumably a First Advance that's cheaper than Anytime Standard Return would be fine.

 

[azz7008]

Hang on... I didn't say which way I now plan to vote!

In fact the more I think about it the more it muddies the waters. I have issues with both candidates but we already have a thread for that.

I agree, here isn't the thread. Seems we could agree on the fact it's PR that has ultimately backfired.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Hapless member of "Team Corbyn" just on BBC News repeating mantra that "the train was rammed",then saying "maybe some seats were reserved with suitcases" and "that maybe there were children in the seats who couldnt be seen because of the seat in front". She knows "because she was there". :roll:

Sounds like they are getting a bit desperate!

Alternatively it sounds like Jeremy Corbyn employ's a team of people who are out of their depth.

 

[jon0844]

It's not regulation that would mess things up, it's the ease at which rail would fall foul of cuts ahead of so much else.

 

[AlterEgo]

24 pages about a politician being "unaware" of empty seats on a train. Keep it up!

 

[RichmondCommu]

We don't know, because all we hear is the twisted spin of the various groups in all of this - I don't believe any of the hype in the press these days, but it's very interesting at the membership want Corbyn, yet the parliamentary group don't... I'm tired of the same old politics, time for Corbyn in my book, time to clear out the greed from Westminster and start dealing with the huge injustice in wealth, care and services available to everyone.

Perhaps it's worth mentioning here that Jeremy Corbyn will never be in a position to deliver any of those things.
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24 pages about a politician being "unaware" of empty seats on a train. Keep it up!

Well that was helpful.