15/08/17 Waterloo derailment and disruption (latter likely to continue to 16/8)

[pompeyfan]

It's going to be interesting seeing 159s turn back at Farnborough, certainly red pen for a lot of crew.

I noticed that one 6 car this morning called all station Basingstoke to Woking, I bet the driver and guard had twitchy bums.....

 

[AndyPJG]

1. I thought that there were 8 tracks going into Waterloo

Only 7 since the construction of the Linford St flyover connection for the old Eurostar route to Waterloo International.

 

[greaterwest]

It's going to be interesting seeing 159s turn back at Farnborough, certainly red pen for a lot of crew.

I noticed that one 6 car this morning called all station Basingstoke to Woking, I bet the driver and guard had twitchy bums.....

A fair few have done all stops Woking - Basingstoke this morning, to cover for cancelled 2Lxx Basingstoke stoppers.

As for the red pen, let's hope the crossover at Farnborough between the Up Fast and Down Fast doesn't fail...

 

[Searle]

Any (educated) guesses as to how bad things are going to be for the evening rush today? Needing to get back to Farnborough

concoure will be hellishly busy. Trains will be busy, but no busier than usual. Expect between 30 and 60 minute delays.

That's what I'd expect from my experience with the disruption last week

 

[vikingdriver]

It's going to be interesting seeing 159s turn back at Farnborough, certainly red pen for a lot of crew.

I noticed that one 6 car this morning called all station Basingstoke to Woking, I bet the driver and guard had twitchy bums.....

We crewed the 0642 Basingstoke to Waterloo stopping at some of these places so no real twitchy bums!

 

[swt_passenger]

Only 7 since the construction of the Linford St flyover connection for the old Eurostar route to Waterloo International.

There's 8 again by Vauxhall though. In fact I don't think there were ever 8 tracks all the way along the entire route, it was always a bit odd through Queenstown Rd on the Windsor side...

 

[BestWestern]

I could be sure some of the bodywork of the leading coach looks twisted in the photos. If this is indeed the case, and not a trick of the light, it may make the structure unsuitable for further use, therefore perhaps a write-off...

Surely Mk3-based kit has withstood far worse than a sideswipe?

 

[MartinB1]

There's 8 again by Vauxhall though. In fact I don't think there were ever 8 tracks all the way along the entire route, it was always a bit odd through Queenstown Rd on the Windsor side...

It's not helped by the fact that as a driver it feels like that the signal box don't like to route trains onto the Windsor reversible. I've been held up countless times when they could have put me over the glossy new 60mph crossover onto the WR. Especially frustrating if I'm on an up Reading/Windsor and stuck behind a rounder which is stopping everywhere. Hopefully they are getting fully used to using the WR now, so when the works are finished they ard more willing to route trains along there in the future.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

 

[GW43125]

It's not helped by the fact that as a driver it feels like that the signal box don't like to route trains onto the Windsor reversible. I've been held up countless times when they could have put me over the glossy new 60mph crossover onto the WR. Especially frustrating if I'm on an up Reading/Windsor and stuck behind a rounder which is stopping everywhere. Hopefully they are getting fully used to using the WR now, so when the works are finished they ard more willing to route trains along there in the future.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

During the blockade they've started all manner of new, previously rare moves. On a Windsor last week we left International onto the DWF, ran straight along through Vauxhall, down the Up through Queenstown Rd, over the nice new 60mph crossover onto the DWF, then on the DWF to DWS crossover at Clapham Jn, to get in front of a stopper on the DWS. I wonder if we'll see more like this if they do decide to use the WR more.

 

[swt_passenger]

It's not helped by the fact that as a driver it feels like that the signal box don't like to route trains onto the Windsor reversible. I've been held up countless times when they could have put me over the glossy new 60mph crossover onto the WR. Especially frustrating if I'm on an up Reading/Windsor and stuck behind a rounder which is stopping everywhere. Hopefully they are getting fully used to using the WR now, so when the works are finished they ard more willing to route trains along there in the future.

Probably more relevant to the other thread, but I wondered a while back if the final December 2018 layout would ever get suitably renamed to reflect updated normal usage into the former international side. I mentioned in the other thread that there have been suggestions Queenstown Rd P1 would re-open to passengers, at which time you'd have thought the reversible should become the UWS again...

If the majority of Windsor side services are going to be permanently in P20-P24 eventually, shouldn't the default route of the up and down Windsors continue into that part of the station? Maybe the line names Windsor Relief 1 and 2 are temporary?

 

[GW43125]

Probably more relevant to the other thread, but I wondered a while back if the final December 2018 layout would ever get suitably renamed to reflect updated normal usage into the former international side. I mentioned in the other thread that there have been suggestions Queenstown Rd P1 would re-open to passengers, at which time you'd have thought the reversible should become the UWS again...

Apparently QTR platform 1 is planned for CP6.

 

[Wookiee]

Any (educated) guesses as to how bad things are going to be for the evening rush today? Needing to get back to Farnborough

Go via Paddington and North Downs line.

 

[infobleep]

It's going to be interesting seeing 159s turn back at Farnborough, certainly red pen for a lot of crew.

I noticed that one 6 car this morning called all station Basingstoke to Woking, I bet the driver and guard had twitchy bums.....

I'm certain a Salisbury train the other day was announced as stopping at stations between Woking and Basingstoke. I thought it unusual then.

 

[OneOffDave]

Go via Paddington and North Downs line.

That'll be fun as a wheelchair user

 

[Timrud]

You didn't mention that in your question

 

[OneOffDave]

You didn't mention that in your question

I know, If that's the best way of getting home, then that's the best way. The chair just makes it more 'interesting'

 

[bb21]

That'll be fun as a wheelchair user

Half of the Basingstoke terminators should be running although I don't really know which ones, so it should be fine going to Waterloo, with manageable delays.

I would however if I were you find a member of staff to assist you, which means you may be able to jump any queue that may form.

 

[Wookiee]

That'll be fun as a wheelchair user

Ah, good luck! At least it ain't DOO on Southern!!

 

[OneOffDave]

Half of the Basingstoke terminators should be running although I don't really know which ones, so it should be fine going to Waterloo, with manageable delays.

I would however if I were you find a member of staff to assist you, which means you may be able to jump any queue that may form.

Yes, luckily all the assistance staff at Waterloo know me quite well as it's my daily commute, just might get hold of them via station reception rather than the information desk if the concourse is busy

 

[bearhugger]

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40933704:

Travellers have been advised to avoid London Waterloo until Thursday after a train derailed outside the station.
The train partly left the tracks as it was pulling away from a platform at low speed at 05:40 BST, Network Rail said.
Three people were checked over by London Ambulance Service but nobody was taken to hospital.
Trains are unable to access 13 of the station's 24 platforms as 10 were already closed owing to engineering works to enlarge its capacity.
Public transport in London was further disrupted when a passenger train crashed into buffers at King's Cross station and Holborn Tube station was evacuated because of a fire alert.
Derailed trainImage copyrightREBECCA MIDDLETON
Image caption
The station is usually one of the busiest in the UK
Waterloo works: What you wanted to know
Emergency services including police, paramedics and fire crews were called to Waterloo.
Insp Sean McGachie of British Transport Police (BTP) said "very few passengers had been on board" and officers were "working with industry partners to investigate the circumstances".
BBC London transport correspondent Tom Edwards said it appears a passenger train had struck an engineering wagon.
Chris Denham, a spokesman for Network Rail, told the BBC the partially derailed train had blocked three of the platforms so only very limited services could run.
"If you don't have to travel to Waterloo today, please don't," he said.
Derailed train
Image caption
The trains appears to have hit an engineering wagon
Derailed train
Image caption
Passengers are being advised to use alternative routes
South West Trains said there would be a very limited service running to and from Waterloo until Thursday because of the derailment.
Many of the trains running have been cancelled or are stopping or starting short of the station, the rail operator said.
Passengers are being advised to use alternative routes and have been warned other stations in the area will be "very busy" with the possibility of queuing systems in place.
Derailed trainImage copyrightDAVID HOLMAN
Image caption
Passengers were already affected by ongoing engineering works
The ongoing £800m engineering project at Waterloo will prepare the station for longer trains and provide space for 30% extra passengers during the busiest times of the day.
The station is usually one of the busiest in the UK, with an average of 270,000 journeys made to and from it each day.
Train at King's CrossImage copyrightPA
Image caption
The 05:13 from Royston to King's Cross hit buffers as it arrived at platform nine
In north London, a Great Northern train hit the buffers at King's Cross station at 06:20 BST.
Natasha Coella, who had boarded the train at Stevenage, said passengers "went flying" as the train arrived at the station.
"No-one expected it and people just went from one end of the carriage to the other," she said.
A spokesperson for the rail company said it had happened at low speed and "the Rail Accident Investigation Branch has been informed".
In a separate incident, Holborn Tube station was evacuated for a short period after reports that smoke had filled carriages on a Central line train.
BTP said the problem had been caused by a defective train.

 

[dctraindriver]

It's not helped by the fact that as a driver it feels like that the signal box don't like to route trains onto the Windsor reversible. I've been held up countless times when they could have put me over the glossy new 60mph crossover onto the WR. Especially frustrating if I'm on an up Reading/Windsor and stuck behind a rounder which is stopping everywhere. Hopefully they are getting fully used to using the WR now, so when the works are finished they ard more willing to route trains along there in the future.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

It's only QT Road & Vauxhall you're stuck behind a slower train, and think about it even being stuck behind a rounder you still into Waterloo on time.....

Remember the signaller has quite a few trains to think about, you've only got the one.

 

[James Wake]

It's not helped by the fact that as a driver it feels like that the signal box don't like to route trains onto the Windsor reversible. I've been held up countless times when they could have put me over the glossy new 60mph crossover onto the WR. Especially frustrating if I'm on an up Reading/Windsor and stuck behind a rounder which is stopping everywhere. Hopefully they are getting fully used to using the WR now, so when the works are finished they ard more willing to route trains along there in the future.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

As a passenger who has also been on an ex Windsor stuck behind the (2Kxx) stopper after Clapham Junction, I feel for you drivers when the signallers don't put things on the WR. I always think there must be a reason for it.

 

[James Wake]

With regards to today's incident, I arrived at Clapham Junction at 0748, exited the station and caught buses to Fulwell, arriving at 0855 by 337/R68/H22/281. I hope all involved are OK. Planning to get X26 from Teddington to East Croydon for train onward tonight.

 

[E_Reeves]

Did the points shift under the train or were they already set?

 

[MartinB1]

It's only QT Road & Vauxhall you're stuck behind a slower train, and think about it even being stuck behind a rounder you still into Waterloo on time.....

Remember the signaller has quite a few trains to think about, you've only got the one.

It might only be 2 stations, however when you are supposed to be running Clapham straight to Waterloo it adds a good few minutes to the journey. Of course I don't know what is happening in the signal box , however I do feel like at times that the signaller is a little scared to use the WR. The other day I was driving a Pompey UP via the Byfleet Curve, with the last two stations before Waterloo being Staines and Clapham. I ended up having to stop at a Red protecting North Sheen level crossing, with no trains being close ahead of us. I would like to know what exactly is going on in the signal boxes sometimes.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

 

[Mag_seven]

Did the points shift under the train or were they already set?

I would have thought that is one of the possibilities that the RAIB investigation will look at. Too early to say anything yet.

 

[dctraindriver]

It might only be 2 stations, however when you are supposed to be running Clapham straight to Waterloo it adds a good few minutes to the journey. Of course I don't know what is happening in the signal box , however I do feel like at times that the signaller is a little scared to use the WR. The other day I was driving a Pompey UP via the Byfleet Curve, with the last two stations before Waterloo being Staines and Clapham. I ended up having to stop at a Red protecting North Sheen level crossing, with no trains being close ahead of us. I would like to know what exactly is going on in the signal boxes sometimes.

Sent from my SM-A510F using Tapatalk

Likely road congestion blocking the crossing or waiting for a down to be in sync to close the crossing just the once. And like I say unless it's seriously kaput you'll find it padded into the time table.

You could always ring them up requesting an explanation, that tends to work

Couple more years you'll get used to the signallers ways

 

[LAX54]

I would have thought that is one of the possibilities that the RAIB investigation will look at. Too early to say anything yet.

Indeed that will be a serious question that will be asked by the RAIB, it is a serious situation

 

[CharlieSpotted]

As an aside, when I saw the freight being referred to here as a "barrier train" I imagined this was tongue-in-cheek, but having since read the BBC news piece on it... it seems I was wrong? This is actually there to act as a barrier, to protect the workers in exactly this situation? In which case, it seems to have worked!

 

[mcmad]

Its more designed to protect the trains from errant excavator and crane booms, this way round is just a benefit to the workforce.