looks like refurb set #3:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91804/2019/01/14/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91804/2019/01/14/advanced
I wouldn't say that to quickly as they might hear you and not put the 3rd set into service. No but I would say about 3 weeks before entering traffic, end of the month.If set 3 really is due in the next few days, perhaps Wabtec are finally picking up the pace?
As to how soon after delivery, I’d assume the sets themselves are ready to go and it’s simply a case of training staff?
Is this a hypothetical question or a real one. What would you think is possible with 40 year old coaching stock.if they were now able to say get an average of one carriage per day completed on a 7 day working week, when would they complete?
That would be absurdly optimistic, but assuming that 12 vehicles will have been delivered by January 14th with another 109 to go, then they would be completed on 3rd May 2019. Personally I think that even a quarter of that rate of progress (One set every 16 days, completing late March 2020) is in the realms of fantasy, and Wabtec are also fulfilling orders for another two customers concurrently.if they were now able to say get an average of one carriage per day completed on a 7 day working week, when would they complete?
I don't believe so. Since the 4 coach sets are being delivered first, I'm sure by the time the 5 coach sets start coming the issues that have caused the delays will have been resolved.Isn't it likely that all the sets will be delivered with 4 coaches, and the others added later?
I was delighted to get the refurbished unit on a trip from Dundee to Edinburgh on Monday. A pleasant surprise I wasn’t expecting
Very clean, bright and modern and comfortable.
Had a look in the First Class section and that looked good too - though no one sat in there.
The plan, as I understand it, is to create the mix of 2+4 and 2+5 sets, with the 2+4 mostly working Aberdeen-Inverness. There is an option to add a coach to each set (i.e. create a mix of 2+5 and 2+6). I havnt heard of any plan to just create a couple 2+6 sets.
Apparently, sets 3 to 7 are not far behind, sets 8 & 9 have just entered Wabtec...looking forward to having some training (and getting a look inside) set 2!
We just need to hope that the time needed per coach is significantly less now Wabtec have (hopefully) worked out all the kinks! It took them a year to refurbish the first set of coaches, surely this will have been improved on?Apparently, sets 3 to 7 are not far behind, sets 8 & 9 have just entered Wabtec...looking forward to having some training (and getting a look inside) set 2!
It would help if you proof read before posting as in the forum rules.cheers - btw fat finger syndrome has attacked the post you linked - apologies!
Great start to the gradual introduction of refurbished 125s to ScotRail. It may take some time before the majority yet alone all of them are refurbished.
It looks like the only extra thing that's getting modified is the story."When stripping out the carriages for refurbishment, it [Wabtec] identified further work that could be readily and more easily undertaken at this stage, avoiding extended maintenance downtimes and cost once the trains are in passenger service. Additionally, the engineering design and complexity of work has proved more challenging than anticipated by Wabtec.
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...ng-kind-of-trains-for-scotrail-woes-1-4855755"
Interesting. Sounds like a slow company making excuses for its awful performance. What extra mods are being done?
It looks like the only extra thing that's getting modified is the story.
The first thing that occurred to me when I read that was the refurbed trains had better be impressively reliable when they start running to justify the current delays if they're simply to avoid maintenance downtime later.
"When stripping out the carriages for refurbishment, it [Wabtec] identified further work that could be readily and more easily undertaken at this stage, avoiding extended maintenance downtimes and cost once the trains are in passenger service. Additionally, the engineering design and complexity of work has proved more challenging than anticipated by Wabtec.
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...ng-kind-of-trains-for-scotrail-woes-1-4855755"
Interesting. Sounds like a slow company making excuses for its awful performance. What extra mods are being done?
Sounds like you grinding your axe again.Sounds like a slow company making excuses for its awful performance.
In fairness to Highland37, 'what extra mods' is a perfectly reasonable question from someone who has to cram on to overcrowded 158s on the Highland Main Line on a regular basis.Sounds like you grinding your axe again.
Same old tedious routine. Nothing positive to say.
The refurbed units will be excellent for passengers but in no way can anyone say this has been a “great start”.
Bearing in mind they’re 40 years old there could be any type of issue found although the most likely is corrosion. They are steel bodied vehicles that have had a hard life in all weathers and in some very salty environments (Dawlish)