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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion
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I couldn't see the coach numbers but 57312 Solway Princess is on the front.
jingsmonty
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I very much hope so - the introduction of refurbished set will go a long way to answering the critics of the HST introduction
jingsmonty
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That's what I thought too - I wonder if Inverness train crews will be having day trips to Perth for training?
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Checked RTT and the path was activated earlier today. I’m assuming this is an automatic action if it’s not set #3 heading north?
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The path would have auto activated 2hrs before booked departure.
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What difference does classic vs refurbed HST make as far as the sidings are concerned?
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Ah yes. That would make sense.
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This brings about the question: what if the refurbished trains were delivered on time? The original schedule stated that refurbished sets would have been working Inverness services months ago. Or has this work been intentionally delayed?
I would expect it tbh.
Also a very valid point currently the classics have to have at least 1 engine running overnight as they have no battery hookup in the sidings. Until these works are done the refurbs won't be seen does begger the question that the works should have been done quicker
Macwomble
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WHY is this work only happening now? It's been known since 2015 that the HSTs were coming so there's been plenty of time to get that sort of work done.
PHILIPE
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They were working and fully employed by GWR so nothing could be done until off lease and transferred to Scotrail
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What putting CET equipment in the sidings at Inverness? Of course that could've been done.
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He's referring to the servicing facilities and not the trains themselves.
59CosG95
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In answer to your question, 41137, 42502, 42265, 41116, 42257, 42578, 42350 and 42259 were the vehicles being moved.
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Ta very much - appreciated.
Macwomble
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I was referring to the stabling/servicing infrastructure...not the trains themselves.
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It's this sort of glimpse that makes you ever more suspicious about basic incompetence in management of the project. Trains not converted, staff not trained, servicing facilities not installed, terrible communication about the consequences of the delays, it goes on and on...
PHILIPE
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Sorry. Misunderstood.
jingsmonty
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There are 3 sidings out the back of Inverness CMD - 1 has been extended, but the other 2 haven't been relaid yet. There is physically no room for another HST, be it a Classic or a Refurb.
Basically, the issue is that there is no space to store a driver training train & a refurb training train as well
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Would it actually be possible to run all the diagrammed HST services to/from Inverness (classic or refurb) at the moment then? As in, would the lack of stabling space be the constraint even if enough drivers/crews were trained and there were enough HSTs to go round?
jingsmonty
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Not sure this is correct. Inverness trains have their CET tanks emptied in the fuel bay (I believe there is a portable CET facility by the CMD though), sure this would apply to HSTs as well. Multiple CET hoses installed for IEP/Azuma sets, if they ever appear.
The work is probably just to extend the stabling roads, as only 1 was able to take a 4+2 HST (whilst fouling the other 2 as well)...
jingsmonty
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Yes, as only 1 set is booked to be stabled/prepped in Inverness (0554 Aberdeen). The 0453 to Aberdeen is booked to arrive at 0007, be fuelled/exam carried out & returned to platform to form the outgoing 0453.
The rest of the Inverness departures are 'turnaround' arrivals from elsewhere
jingsmonty
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What SHOULD have been done was the installation of shore supplies - would have saved a fortune in fuel bills!
Are the HSTs being left with one power car running all the time then ? At all depots or only some? As I understand it from posts elsewhere, cold starts seriously affect the service life of the engines, hence they need preheated either from a shore supply or from the power car at the other end
Apologies if this was discussed already, but I've not found it - is any particular effort being made to keep first class at the (Big) City end of the sets? I don't imagine they'd have many opportunities to get turned, but is this a consideration at all?
They're certainly being shut down when they're parked at Dundee.
nat67
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As the IET's were so late and kept failing and no one could fix them and wires took so long because of H & S is a good excuse. (My excuse to have a rant).
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