December 2012 timetable changes

[SprinterMan]

Greater Anglia's new timetables are online, and the 1702 LST-NRW and 1930 NRW-LST are shown as having WiFi. Does this mean they will be 379 worked? (Praying)

Adam

 

[calc7]

Greater Anglia's new timetables are online, and the 1702 LST-NRW and 1930 NRW-LST are shown as having WiFi. Does this mean they will be 379 worked? (Praying)

Adam

Do you actually catch the above workings that frequently for it to be a big thing for you?

 

[SprinterMan]

Do you actually catch the above workings that frequently for it to be a big thing for you?

When I'm not at uni, I use the 1930 reasonably frequently, but I don't see how that matters. All I want is 321s off the InterCity services.

Adam

 

[MCR247]

Won't it just be a 90+Mk3 rake then?

 

[radamfi]

Is there REALLY that big a flow from Woking to Gatwick at 4AM in the morning anyway ?

It is not just Gatwick. What if you want to go from Woking to somewhere from one of the other mainline termini, say Birmingham, Manchester or Edinburgh, or to Stansted or Luton Airports?

Oh and the Brighton Mainline can run a near 24 hour service as it "splits" at Sloats Nest and Earlswood so trains can run via each one of those lines, whilst work takes place on the other line, a bit similar to the ECML which has the line via Hertford North.

Similarly, the line out of Waterloo has 4 tracks all the way to Basingstoke, so you can close two lines the whole way to Basingstoke and still have 2 running lines available.

 

[SprinterMan]

Won't it just be a 90+Mk3 rake then?

No, it is specifically diagrammed as an EMU, plus there is no buffet.

Adam

 

[embers25]

Is there REALLY that big a flow from Woking to Gatwick at 4AM in the morning anyway ?

I can understand maybe on the Waterloo corridor, but it just comes across as trying to pick holes in a change which seems fairly sensible.

Oh and the Brighton Mainline can run a near 24 hour service as it "splits" at Sloats Nest and Earlswood so trains can run via each one of those lines, whilst work takes place on the other line, a bit similar to the ECML which has the line via Hertford North.

The Woking line splits at Byfleet into two and there's the alternative route from Wimbledon to CJ. Also the extra service at night does not mean a later service to Woking it just fills a gap and so we get no later service at night and a 30 min delay in the morning. The point here is that it is very inconvenient if you rely on it for work for example (its not like theirs an alternative) and also surely running 15 mins earlier maintains all connections and so would that not have been a better compormise. This change basically just saves Notwork Fail having to pay for replacement buses at the expense of passengers as usual.

 

[ushawk]

It is not just Gatwick. What if you want to go from Woking to somewhere from one of the other mainline termini, say Birmingham, Manchester or Edinburgh, or to Stansted or Luton Airports?

The same could be said for nearly every single location in the UK then. Nothing special about Woking.

Similarly, the line out of Waterloo has 4 tracks all the way to Basingstoke, so you can close two lines the whole way to Basingstoke and still have 2 running lines available.

Another difference is the layout of lines. From Wimbledon to Basingstoke, it is UP-UP-DN-DN, where as the Brighton mainline is UP-DN-UP-DN. Also the only real reason that Brighton line has a 24 hour service, is for Gatwick - remove the Airport then there isnt really any reason for the line to have a 24 hour service.
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The Woking line splits at Byfleet into two and there's the alternative route from Wimbledon to CJ. Also the extra service at night does not mean a later service to Woking it just fills a gap and so we get no later service at night and a 30 min delay in the morning. The point here is that it is very inconvenient if you rely on it for work for example (its not like theirs an alternative) and also surely running 15 mins earlier maintains all connections and so would that not have been a better compormise. This change basically just saves Notwork Fail having to pay for replacement buses at the expense of passengers as usual.

ANY timetable change would be inconvenient, but since the service is often revised due to overnight work, it may as well be a permanent change. It also means the service wont need a diversion - meaning that Surbiton and Wimbledon get an additional service. If you ran it 15 minutes earlier and Network Rail are still doing work (and for whatever reason it will finish later) - then the service would be cancelled or delayed - which would cause a bigger delay.

Finally, how does the extra LATE NIGHT service to Woking not mean a later service ? Its an additional service to Woking, it does also of course fill the gap but if you want to keep going on about the doom and gloom.....

 

[dk1]

Greater Anglia's new timetables are online, and the 1702 LST-NRW and 1930 NRW-LST are shown as having WiFi. Does this mean they will be 379 worked? (Praying)

Adam

Would imagine its just a printing error. No additional IC sets coming our way & can you just imagine the delay minutes with slam doors & no dispatch staff

 

[radamfi]

Finally, how does the extra LATE NIGHT service to Woking not mean a later service ?

The last train from Waterloo is currently 0105 which will still be the last train from the new timetable.

If you can't keep one line open while working on the adjacent line, that is a pretty flawed layout. Being able to keep the service running when one track is closed should be one of the benefits of 4 tracking.

 

[anthony263]

I was lucky to get some printed copies of the new ATW timetables today at the information centre in Porthcawl.

 

[shinkansen1966]

Is the Network Rail PDF timetable for services from 9 December 2012 available yet ?

 

[embers25]

The last train from Waterloo is currently 0105 which will still be the last train from the new timetable.

If you can't keep one line open while working on the adjacent line, that is a pretty flawed layout. Being able to keep the service running when one track is closed should be one of the benefits of 4 tracking.

There have been several sundays where they have run wrong line to London and just used Plat 4 and 5 at Woking with 4 to London and 5 from London and given the 0400 runs non-stop to Surbiton it wouldn't even miss any stations.

 

[dvboy]

Boarded a train at Hykeham today where there was a poster with all of the changes to EMT's timetables.

 

[SprinterMan]

I was lucky to get some printed copies of the new ATW timetables today at the information centre in Porthcawl.

I didn't think they had printed any yet, what changes are there?

Adam

 

[172212]

Does anyone know of any changes to the Snow Hill Lines in the new timetable?

 

[sheff'd victoria]

Any improvements planned for the Northern Rail " Cattle Trucks " services out of Sheffield Midland ?

We guess that the Lincoln line will be as shocking again with no late evening trains and the farse Sunday service which starts just before 2pm.

Then their is the 3 train each way " Saturday Only " Sheffield Midland - Cleethorpes via Brigg service, which for some reason only leaves around 15 mins after the Lincoln services, no wonder it has no passengers on it from Sheffield Midland to Retford :roll:

 

[SGS]

Looks like the extra Durham Coast Grand Central services M-F are:

Kings Cross 1121 Arr Hartlepool 1423
Hartlepool 1447 Arr Kings Cross 1811.

I wonder where they'll stable for those 24 minutes?

 

[transmanche]

I wonder where they'll stable for those 24 minutes?

It'll probably just sit in platform 2, as it falls between the 14:15 to Nunthorpe and the 15:02 to Hexham.

 

[notadriver]

As far as I'm concerned, the proposed service cuts are appropriate. A while ago, fast trains didn't call at Longfield or Meopham, with only the slow ones stopping and everything was okay then (I think). Then, all of a sudden, they were included as stops on the fast trains. The stations are pretty rural and hardly anyone gets off/on during the off peak. In my opinion, it's always been a waste stopping every fast train there.

Of course it will be an inconvenience to people from the areas, but there's still an hourly service to Gillingham and an hourly service to Ramsgate & Dover Priory. Is it worth stopping every fast train and adding minutes to the journey, just for very few people?

According to the latest posters I've seen for the December timetable and on journey planner, those services will STILL call at Longfield and Meopham which is a real shame. Services on the Ashford main line also call at all stations. From what I've experienced Class 395s are rubbish on stopping services (for example when they make extra stops during disruption) because of their single leaf doors which are narrower than 375s and poor DC performance compared with a 375.

 

[PR1Berske]

In the Northern Rail's Colne-Preston-Blackpool timetable, I can't see any changes in the direct routes, though the connecting trains to Victoria seems to have altered

(Mondays to Friday, Manchester Victoria new timetable connecting trains from Blackburn 0722, 0825, 0825, 0922, 0922, 1052, 1152, 1252...

(Mondays to Friday, Manchester Victoria current timetable connecting trains from Blackburn 0726, 0826, 0826, 0927, 0927, 1053, 1153, 1253...

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Apart from the VT extensions from Lancaster to Glasgow, if Open Train Times is correct there are 2 Pendolino services from Glasgow to Birmingham (1200 and 1600), and one from Edinburgh (0552, running on to Euston).

VT are currently 2x390s down during the H3 upgrade, so sometime next year there will be 2 more 390s available for service.
I suppose these will be for the enhanced Preston/Liverpool services.

The NR Winter timetable is still not online.

 

[All Line Rover]

I suppose these will be for the enhanced Preston/Liverpool services.

An enhanced Liverpool service? That's new to me.

 

[87015]

Apart from the VT extensions from Lancaster to Glasgow, if Open Train Times is correct there are 2 Pendolino services from Glasgow to Birmingham (1200 and 1600), and one from Edinburgh (0552, running on to Euston).

VT are currently 2x390s down during the H3 upgrade, so sometime next year there will be 2 more 390s available for service.
I suppose these will be for the enhanced Preston/Liverpool services.

The NR Winter timetable is still not online.

If they can get the 11 cars working properly rather than sitting down on such a regular basis as they are currently...

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

An enhanced Liverpool service? That's new to me.

That's based on the RUS which gave development options.
The 4 new Pendos were supposed to:
a) make Glasgow hourly (tick)
b) extra Preston services to allow Glasgows to miss out WBQ/WGN
c) extra peak services to Liverpool

There was no clarity over which options would be picked by the DfT/franchisee, but the extra Pendos will have to go somewhere useful.
Some of this was dependent on a new timetable in Dec 2014.

 

[Eagle]

Bazinga.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

NRE's brief contribution of changes is here - http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/timetable_changes/.

Of note is the TPE section, with details of double set trains, and Burneside and Steveley on the Windermere line losing request status.

 

[172212]

Hmm... Extra Sunday journeys on the LM Hereford Line sounds interesting, hopefully it will revert back to 1TPH

 

[Jeni]

Hmm... Extra Sunday journeys on the LM Hereford Line sounds interesting, hopefully it will revert back to 1TPH

Though I seem to remember that Bromsgrove still isn't getting an earlier service on a Sunday, which is annoying!

 

[sheff'd victoria]

NRE's brief contribution of changes is here - http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/timetable_changes/.

Northern Rail
No major changes have been advised