December 2012 timetable changes

[radamfi]

0818 Gatwick Airport to Victoria Gatwick Express cancelled. You now have to wait until 0820.

 

[northwichcat]

MCRUA have expressed concerns about whether the additional Heaton Chapel and Levenshulme calls from December will work in the 16:07 Chester-Manchester and 17:07 Chester-Manchester services.

Can't see the Heaton Chapel and Levenshulme passengers being happy about 2/4 car Sprinter combinations no longer stopping at their station northbound and instead getting 2 car Pacer/Sprinter trains instead.

Southport services are affected by engineering works for the first 6 Sundays in 2013. I'm not sure how that'll affect extending the Southport services that terminate at Stockport to Hazel Grove.

 

[radamfi]

0818 Gatwick Airport to Victoria Gatwick Express cancelled. You now have to wait until 0820.

Possibly related to this is the removal of the 0814 Gatwick stop from the Littlehampton to Victoria service. This may relieve congestion but will mean a long gap in fast trains for passengers wanting to go from Gatwick to East Croydon and Clapham Junction.

 

[David Turner]

New full railway timetable now available on the Network Rail website

 

[SprinterMan]

Would imagine its just a printing error. No additional IC sets coming our way & can you just imagine the delay minutes with slam doors & no dispatch staff

Confirmed

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your recent email.

I can confirm that the 06.00 ex Ipswich, 17.02 ex Liverpool St and 19.30 ex Norwich will not have Wi-Fi available, as these services will all continue to be operated by Class 321 trains.

We appreciate you pointing out this error in the timetable, and I have forwarded details of this to the relevant team. It may well be that we are unable to make an immediate correction, but please be assured that as soon as it is practical, the information for these services will be amended.

Once again, thank you for contacting us.

 

[Thomas6187]

Northern Rail
No major changes have been advised

Someone at National Rail hasn't done there research, as the Marple/New Mills/Rose Hill service's have been almost completely changed


Or Northern haven't told them

 

[TEW]

The pair of Southeastern services calling at Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are semi-interesting. Both aren't currently served by Southeastern but the two services provide a token remaining service to London Victoria. The am London Victoria-Bromley South service should be a 375 by the looks of things as well.

 

[ushawk]

The pair of Southeastern services calling at Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are semi-interesting. Both aren't currently served by Southeastern but the two services provide a token remaining service to London Victoria. The am London Victoria-Bromley South service should be a 375 by the looks of things as well.

Could this be because with the Inner SLL services not running from next month, no other services would have ran between Wandsworth Road and Battersea Park and a service needs to run along the line otherwise the route would need to be closed ?

 

[Mintona]

The pair of Southeastern services calling at Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are semi-interesting. Both aren't currently served by Southeastern but the two services provide a token remaining service to London Victoria. The am London Victoria-Bromley South service should be a 375 by the looks of things as well.

I thought it was going to be a 465, but I may be wrong there. What makes it look like it will be a 375, if you don't mind me asking? It's only being provided because the DfT wanted an early service before LOROL started for the rest of the day. I can't see it being particularly busy though!
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Could this be because with the Inner SLL services not running from next month, no other services would have ran between Wandsworth Road and Battersea Park and a service needs to run along the line otherwise the route would need to be closed ?

No, because they won't go. Southeastern drivers don't sign the central side out of Victoria via Battersea Park. These trains will run via Stewarts Lane.

 

[TEW]

I thought it was going to be a 465, but I may be wrong there. What makes it look like it will be a 375, if you don't mind me asking? It's only being provided because the DfT wanted an early service before LOROL started for the rest of the day. I can't see it being particularly busy though!

As far as I can tell the diagram is this:
2B96 0530 London Victoria-Bromley South
5N04 0558 Bromley South-Maidstone East
2N04 0634 Maidstone East-Canterbury West
2W22 0800 Canterbury West-London Charing Cross, joins with 2W21, 0723 Ramsgate-Ashford International at Ashford.

All the services on the Canterbury/Ramsgate-Charing Cross route, on weekdays at least, are formed of 375s.

 

[ushawk]

Looks like the services calling will be -

0530 Victoria - Bromley South (as said above)
1818 Sevenoaks - Victoria - So this will probably 465 operated.

Monday - Friday only.

Also noticed that covering the Wandsworth Road - Battersea Park section will be a couple of parly's as followed -

3P06 0546 Dalston Junction to Battersea Park
9O05 0618 Battersea Park to Highbury & Islington
9P70 2217 Highbury & Islington to Battersea Park
3O70 2304 Battersea Park to Dalston Junction

A couple for those die-hard track bashers out there who want to cover the short section on a 378 !!

 

[TEW]

1818 Sevenoaks - Victoria - So this will probably 465 operated.

Booked a single 465 at the moment, but that could of course change in December.

 

[A0]

London Midland's are now on their website, confirming that Northampton is seeing a 25% reduction in northbound departures most of the day.

And the "connection" at Rugby to transfer onto the TV services will come up as 20 mins, because the 'best' connection is 4 minutes, which means the journey planners won't recognise it :roll:

So Northampton can look forward to virtually all services being 3+2 seated 350s.

Thanks LM - nice to see you value the services you provide to Northampton.

 

[Condor7]

It may be Sunday only, but there is an additional train from Sheffield 10:17 to Carlisle 13:47, and return 15:20 to Nottingham 19:57, via the Settle & Carlisle line.

Of course raising hopes of this being extended to midweek trains in the future.

 

[Mintona]

As far as I can tell the diagram is this:
2B96 0530 London Victoria-Bromley South
5N04 0558 Bromley South-Maidstone East
2N04 0634 Maidstone East-Canterbury West
2W22 0800 Canterbury West-London Charing Cross, joins with 2W21, 0723 Ramsgate-Ashford International at Ashford.

All the services on the Canterbury/Ramsgate-Charing Cross route, on weekdays at least, are formed of 375s.

Fair enough, thanks. I knew it continued to Canterbury West (empties to Maidstone East) but I just presumed it came back upto Victoria via Maidstone and would have been a 465, obviously I was wrong.
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Looks like the services calling will be -

0530 Victoria - Bromley South (as said above)
1818 Sevenoaks - Victoria - So this will probably 465 operated.

Monday - Friday only.

The return has to be a 4 coach train as the platforms aren't long enough for anything more. And I can confirm that one will be a 465.

 

[TEW]

If the diagram stays the same as now it should be a 375/3 on the am train. Currently it runs ECS all the way to Maidstone East from Victoria.

 

[Southern]

The return has to be a 4 coach train as the platforms aren't long enough for anything more. And I can confirm that one will be a 465.

Yep, comes down to Sevenoaks as a 10 - car, front 6 into the down sidings for the 1845 and rear four work the 1818. For anyone interested, 1845 now calls at Peckham Rye.

 

[IanXC]

It may be Sunday only, but there is an additional train from Sheffield 10:17 to Carlisle 13:47, and return 15:20 to Nottingham 19:57, via the Settle & Carlisle line.

Of course raising hopes of this being extended to midweek trains in the future.

Thats a very interesting move, perhaps testing the water as there are other diagrams where Settle and Carlisle arrivals at Leeds become Nottingham services, and vice versa.

 

[172212]

Each journey on the new Snow Hill Lines timetable now has the number of carriages above each journey, so diagrams should be easier to work out

 

[SprinterMan]

Not a "timetable change" as such, but the SO 0850 EUS-HHD and 1438 HHD-EUS, the current Pendolino drag, will become a Voyager for operational simplicity from December 15th onward for operational simplicity and reliability, although it will continue to run to the same timings. The last Pendolino drag will be december 8th, providing it doesn't break down, although it invariably will. :P

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C56164/2012/12/8 - Last drag

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/P50693/2012/12/15 - Now operated by 221

Adam

 

[bb21]

The last Pendolino drag will be december 8th, providing it doesn't break down, although it invariably will. :P

It broke down only yesterday, leaving 390049 stranded in Holyhead.

 

[SprinterMan]

It broke down only yesterday, leaving 390049 stranded in Holyhead.

Oh I Know, I was trying to get on the 1507 BNG-EUS myself :P

Adam

 

[Robsignals]

London Midland's are now on their website, confirming that Northampton is seeing a 25% reduction in northbound departures most of the day.

And the "connection" at Rugby to transfer onto the TV services will come up as 20 mins, because the 'best' connection is 4 minutes, which means the journey planners won't recognise it :roll:

So Northampton can look forward to virtually all services being 3+2 seated 350s.

Thanks LM - nice to see you value the services you provide to Northampton.

It's the same old problem, Northampton is in the wrong place! Faster long distance journeys give operating savings and greater revenue growth than Northampton can offer, the existing users are a captive market with no real choice than continuing to enjoy the delights of LM.
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Sorry if it's already been covered - Southern have been forced to make thousands of timing changes due to:

Transfer of South London Line to London Overground;
Major Thameslink rebuild of London Bridge closing some terminal platforms;
Gatwick P7 construction closing P6 - no 'Overtaking moves' in pm peak;
Delays to Brighton bound Gatwick Express from Victoria to E Croydon in pm peak.

Some coast services from Victoria are being brought forward several minutes in pm peak causing much complaint, journey times extended to reflect current performance. Eg the current 1735 & 1806* Vic to Ore (*Seaford front portion) become 1727 (9 minutes slower) & 1757* which to be fair is accelerated by 15 mins to Bexhill. There are some Sunday improvements, extra am peak trains on West London line and an earlier 0518SX Uckfield - London Bridge.

Southern have just agreed with DfT to take up the option for a further 40 carriages in last Decembers order for 130. Proposal being developed for 116 dual voltage carriages with option for 100 more, this is about ensuring stock can be cascaded to newly electrified routes as Seimens still haven't been able to organise finance for the Thameslink build. At least DfT are trying to organise a national strategy, might be called, oh say, a British Rail Plan...depends where you put the emphasis.

 

[gerryuk]

It may be Sunday only, but there is an additional train from Sheffield 10:17 to Carlisle 13:47, and return 15:20 to Nottingham 19:57, via the Settle & Carlisle line.

Of course raising hopes of this being extended to midweek trains in the future.

This is only running on Sunday 30th December though. Seem's a bit bizarre to me.

 

[Southern]

Another one for Southeastern, the following are being made up to 12 - car 395's, no doubt to do with the whole "Portas Pilot" business:

0853/0953 Margate - St Pancras
1042/1142 St Pancras - Margate

Will run Monday through Saturday. FO 0012 St Pancras - Ashford reduced from 12 to 6, with
the new 2342 starting as a 12 - car. The hour gap in service is now removed for passengers wishing to travel to Ashford and beyond into East Kent. 2242 St Pancras - Margate is now reduced from 12 to 6 - cars on a Saturday night.

 

[Deerfold]

This is only running on Sunday 30th December though. Seem's a bit bizarre to me.

And the 9th, the 16th, the 23rd...

There are engineering works in early Jan.

 

[Eagle]

And the 9th, the 16th, the 23rd...

There are engineering works in early Jan.

Ans then the Sheffield to Carlisle starts up again on February 3, running until the May timetable change (at least).

Here, the ones marked VAR are Skipton to Carlisle only, everything else is from Sheffield.

 

[Trainfan344]

Greater Anglia / Stansted Express

No major changes have been advised

So Lowestoft to Ipswich becoming hourly isn't a major change then?

 

[Eagle]

The stuff on NRE's website (and in the front of the NRTT) seems to be provided individually by the TOCs, with varying levels of detail. Some are extremely detailed, SE in particular, and some are pointlessly vague.

 

[MK Tom]

It's the same old problem, Northampton is in the wrong place! Faster long distance journeys give operating savings and greater revenue growth than Northampton can offer, the existing users are a captive market with no real choice than continuing to enjoy the delights of LM.

Not only that but it's a case of the needs of the many too. Basically...

LOSS: Watford, Northampton. (although both still get a faster service to London and Watford a faster service to MK/Northampton).

GAIN: Milton Keynes, Rugby, Nuneaton, Atherstone, Tamworth, Lichfield, Rugeley, Stone.

It's sad I agree that Northampton now ONLY has Birmingham-Euston services, about three Crewe ones and one set-down only ex-Wolverhampton one, but it is in the wrong place and it is surrounded by places that pull more passengers. I would like to see VT divert one or two expresses round to give it some kind of service half becoming of a place of its size though. People are too quick to write off the 210,000 person giant as a small town.